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Various Plans for Cryonics Communities
The Immortalist FarmA Russian Cryonics Project, by Mikhail Soloviev
2. Probably we will need some infrastructure: a local physician to pronounce death, a funeral director with embalming license (I think it might be optional for a remote site), and a local cemetery to build the storage facility. Alternative approach: to have such physician and a man with embalming license in the Farm staff and to store the patients at the facility located in the Farm. 3. There will be the following equipment to support cryogenic storage: (a) Dewars to store head-only patients. One stainless steel dewar fit for such storage costs about $1,500 in Russia. It can contain about 10 heads. We will need at least 2 dewars in the beginning. (As we plan to operate in the cheapest way the head-only patients are considered only.) (b) Liquid nitrogen plant (LNP). LNPs, suitable to supply those 2 dewars (2 liters per hour) and manufactured in America or in Europe, cost $40,000- $55,000. I plan to find (or to order their manifacture) the Russian analogues and I think they could be twice cheaper at least, i.e. $20,000 (I was told that one organization bought a similar device for $5,000). (c) Power generator. I think the wind power station (WPS) is more suitable than solar one for St.Peterburg region of Russia. An American wind power station to supply the LNP costs about $20,000 (again the Russian one could be cheaper: about $10,000). 4. The total cost will vary from about $40,000 = 5,000 (Farm) + 3,000 (dewars) + 20,000 (LNP) + 10,000 (WPS) to about $150,000 = 20,000 (Farm) + 5,000 (dewars) + 2*40,000 (LNP) + 2*20,000 (WPS). 5. Thus the storage cost per one member will vary from $1,000 - $3,000 (50 members) to $5,000 - $15,000 (10 members). If a member lives outside the Farm the transportation cost should be added. The sum in $1,000 - $3,000 would be affordable for the Russian middle class immortalists. It means that we need about 50 members to start such the project. An alternative: we might start with the organization of the Farm, then make it profitable and invest the income to buy the equipment for our storage facility. 6. One of advantages of such type of storage is that it is tolerant to social, economical, and natural catastrophes.
A Cryonics Community/Resort in ArizonaBy David Pizer pizer@primenet.com (originally posted to CryoNet on Tue, 04 Apr 2000. Message #13470).
Except for one other 40 acre parcel of private land that is kitty-corner to mine, my 40 acres is surrounded by State and Federal lands so no one else can build next to my land. If things work out, I might buy the other parcel for future development. There is a little brook that flows year round through the middle of the property. The brook has native cottonwoods, Mesquites and other large trees, wild flowers in the spring and lots of other bushes and plants. The animals come to the creek to drink: rabbits, foxes, deer, lots of birds. This is an area that is considered safe from earthquakes, floods and other disasters. This is truely a peaceful and secure place but just an hour drive from Phoenix with its state of the art medical care (a Mayo Clinic and a Mayo Hospital). I am hopeing to build a small resort with small cabins along the creek. Back on the hills overlooking the creek, I would like the Society for Venturism to build apartments or homes for cryonicists to buy, rent or lease. These would be either small or large depending on the tenant's needs and ability. There could also be a hospice or in-home hospice service. This is the parcel that I would like to create a cryonics community that I have seen a need for. A place where like-minded persons can work together to raise the odds for mutiple survival. Residents could have condo-like homes or free-standing homes on larger parcels, like 1/2 acre. We could have a community meeting building, a spa, exercise room (although there are miles and miles or nature trails leading through the federal forrests that adjoin this parcel for hiking. The income from the resort portion might be used to create the cryonics community. There can also be buildings where cryonics volunteers can work together to raise public awareness for life extension and also to raise money for charitable help in underfuned suspensions. We would need people who are experts with computers, writers, public speakers, and other workers. Some people could do radio talk shows and if we raise awareness, we could supply guests for TV talk shows. We might also have our own printing equipment and publish magazines and books on cryonics, life extension and other related topics. The next step is to raise the money to build the public resort portion. I may be able to have that by the end of this year. In the meantime, people interested can throw out ideas for discussion. What can develop there in the way of a supportive community will depend on the people that are willing to join together and make this happen. All cryonicists and their ideas are welcome.
Message #13517 Thomas Donaldson 73647.1215@compuserve.com wrote: [snip]
>So does this property you've bought lie anywhere close to a This area is on the route of what are called "Stage" lines. These are 12 to 15 passenger vans that make a trip between Phoenix and Prescott and several stops in between several times a day and there are a couple of different companies doing this. For us to have them stop every day we would have to establish that we almost always had 1 or more passengers per day. We won't have this at first. So at the early part of this we would not be on their regular line as a regular stop. But you still could get service by merely calling ahead. If you wanted to go to Phoenix or Prescott you would probably have to call in several hours before the stage left towards our area from its starting point. On the trip back I think all you would have to do is be at the pick up place in Phoenix. They have several places they pick up at in Phoenix. Most *large* retirement communities in Arizona have their own vans that take the residents where ever they want to go. So after we get large enough we should have the same. But for the first years, you will have to rely on the stage companies which are like mini bus lines.
>Message #13507 Does this sound like heaven? Summer days long and warm with friendly cool evenings. Advancing giant white soon-to-be-rain-clouds with dark silver borders against a purple sky. Then, the sweet scent of the desert plants after a cool summer rain. If you get tired of looking at sturdy clumps of oaks and wild flowers along the stream bank; or tired of watching the animals come to the stream for a drink: desert chipmunks, bunnies, foxes, white tailed deer, antelope, squirrels, humming birds in every color, the glimpse of an owl, and brightly colored butterflies among the wildflowers, if you ever tire of this, then in a half hour's drive you can be inside the largest Ponderosa Pine Forrest in the world. Giant trees with cinnamon colored bark towering 150 feet into the sky. Pardon me for dwelling on the beauty of this place but it really is a magnificent setting with the creek and multi-colored rock out-croppings and all. And yet it borders the state highway. Another kind of beauty should be built into the facility. The beauty of safety. I would like to see those members who want it to be able to wear some type of device that would monitor their vital signs and if they got into trouble 24 hours a day, the device would signal the headquarters to send help. I don't know how to do this, does anyone out there? Is the technology available yet or soon? I would also like to see a basic washout facility available to memebers of any cryonics society. So if a resident went down unexpectly, they could be washed out in a matter of minutes and waiting for their cryonics company to do a perfusion. This will involve a good repore with the coroner's office and perhaps some legal work. Arizona has laws that are favorable to cryonics and we need to see how to use them best for our members. One project I would like to see worked on is where a cryonics patients had the legal right not to be subject to an autopsy. This might be something to work on in the future after we have more voting members in that county. I would like to see people with EMT certificates living there also.
>Message #13510 >"Excuse me. Could you tell me how to get to Platt Blvd?" [snip] A place to recognize our heros - why not? One of the things that Mike Perry wants to see, and I think the Venturist Board will support this after we have the other necessities in place, is a life-extension/cryonics museum. This would be a nice place to display various items and remember people who have helped the movement along. Mike wants to see a book publishing plant and a few other things first. I want to see us putting out a very nice life extension magazine and doing more work on the internet. All in good time.
>Message #13511
>I just wondered what the time frame is going to be for the full completion I don't mind discussing the financial aspects. The land is paid for. I see, perhaps, 3 stages of construction? FIRST STAGE COMPLETED IN 18 MONTHS IF ALL GOES WELL The initial resort will be 10 small cabins along the creek and one lodge building where the manager will live and the dining facilities (at first just for people staying at the resort) will be. This will be enough to generate profit above expenses. I have owned 2 other similar resorts (but not near as beautiful) and know where the break even points should be. This is a new type venture for this area. Mayer has not had the upscale resorts like Sedona. I think there is a need and the setting along the creek rivals Sedona in a smaller way. So there will be some new things to learn, but 10 cabins will generate profit above all expenses if there is no debt and there is not. This first stage construction will cost between $500,000 and $800,000 depending on the site costs and what type of buildings we build. For the resort we are leaning towards SanteFe with natural log porches. The cabins would be Sante Fe with slight log treatments (like shaved pine porch poles and overhead beams) inside as well as outside. The reason the cost varies so much is because I don't know what the site costs (sewer, roads, water well, underground pipes and utility lines) will be. We may have to design snd build (in the initial stage) an expensive sewer plant capable to handle many more cabins and homes to be built in the future. The larger sewer plant would eliminate having several smaller septic treatment plants built at each stage of enlargement. Since there is a creek running through the property the standards for the sewer plant will be higher. My guess is that we can get the first stage up and in operation for $600,000 if all goes well. We are now negotiating with officials for zoning approval and with an engineer on a site plan. That site plan also deals with issues of zoning and access to and from the state highway. I hope to have a chunk of money (enough to pay for this first stage of construction) in hand (from sale of another property) within 12 months from now - or sooner, and by that time have the engineering, site plan and zoning approved. (I have the money to pay for the site plan and the espenses of the zoning approval while we are waiting for the other parcel to close). So if all goes well, in 12 months we have all approvals and the site plan in hand and the money comes in at about the same time. Another 6 months after that and we should have stage 1 completed. Do you want to make a reservation now :=) STAGE TWO COMPLETED ABOUT 3 YEARS FROM NOW + - The second stage will be to enlarge the resort. After a year or two of operation with just 10 cabins, we will know what things to offer in the second generation cabins and what is not needed. Are there requests for larger cabins? Leave out the hot tubs and Fireplaces - and have lower rates? Do we need to offer horseback riding? Jeep tours (very popular in nearby Sedona)? How about gold panning? Do we use thicker carpet and more expensive furniture and charge a higer rate - or is a less expensive cabin what the trade wants? The second stage will also include a larger place to dine, perhaps food to the public (people who are and are not staying at the resort), do we offer beer and wine? Some guests will like that, some guests will quit staying if we do - which way does the best on the bottom line? The first stage dining will be in the lodge sort of a bed and breakfast, lunch and dinner facility. Later we would like to have a public restaurant with dining right on the creek. There used to be a place like this in Sedona, and it was the most popular place in town until it burned down. At night they had dinner served along the creek with special lights that lighted up the creek in a special way. They put out feed and salt so the animals would come to the creek and the customers just loved it. Breakfast along the creek as sunrise was a special event. The second stage will include addition to the lodge and another 10 or 15 cabins. The income from that will come from the sale of other property that I have but have not offered for sale yet. I suspect the second stage will be able to be constructed faster say 6 months from planning to finish. That is because the site plan will not have to be all new, just modified and the zoning will not be an issue. THE GOOD PART = I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE CRYONICS COMMUNITY IN PLACE WITHIN 4 TO 5 YEARS FROM TODAY. The third stage will be the building more for the use of the cryonics community. Free-standing houses and more moderate apartments. Spa. Pool? Exercise room. Meeting rooms (which can also generate income from non-cryonics companies that want to hold seminars for their executives etc.). Offices for cryonics workers to post our message on the internet and host other events. Do radio talk-shows and perhaps send members to do tv talk shows. A prining company to produce a magazine and books. By this time we will have a feel for what type of annual net income the resort facility generates and I will have four separate ways (or combinations) to raise the last needed money for the third stage of construction: Sale of additional personal assets (which I will do if I then choose to move there on a permanent basis; borrow on the resort; raise money from the cryonics community in the form of investment or donations; or use annual profits from the resort without borrowing (that would probably only allow $200,000 to $400,000 a year for new construction - I want to go faster than that). I am also open to other suggestions. I will control the resort until I go into the tank. The Board of Directors for the Society for Venturism will control the cyronics community. After such a time that everything is paid for, the cryonics community can use some of the resort profits (and whatever other money we can generate) to do charitable work: help underfunded people get suspended; enlighten the world not to die. All along during the construction from phase 1 on, the people in cryonics can use the resort (before the cryonics community is built) for seminars, meetings, generating publicity whatever helps. All ideas are appreciated. Thanks for the interest. If you have any other questions I will be glad to answer them. Dave Pizer See the CryoNet archives (April 2000) for more follow-ups to this message. June 2002 Update:
From: "davepizer" The Creekside Preserve Inc. (that's what we call the conference center in Mayer), is looking for employees who can start work around the end of August or sometime in September or later this year. We need:
People who can wear many hats would be helpful. Here's the cryonics pitch ---- Work in a conference center that will be hosting lots of life extension conferences (and other types, also). Live on site - no need to drive a lot - or at all. Be around animals, horses and other barnyard animals we will have for guests to get that old west farm/ranch feeling. Work and live in Mayer Arizona, an hour's drive north of Phoenix, in the beautiful, pristine high desert. The facility has a gym that employees can use in their spare time. There are lots of hiking trails. Or sit on the creekbank and meditate. We are close to other neat day trips like Prescott (1/2 hour), Sedona 1 hr? Flagstaff 1 hr? lots of Indian ruins and old historic sites. The Grand Canyon a couple hours away. L.A. 7 hours drive. Vegas or Laughlin a few hours to the north. Employees can live and work with other cryonicists. People of like persuasion to talk with in spare time. And if an emergency happens, you are among fellow cryonicists. Those who want to can work on Ventruist cryonics public relations projects, helping spread cryonics philosophy around the world. Talk shows, e-mail discussion groups, etc. Plus, we will be expanding our magazine into a first rate commercial publication and selling it on news stands etc. You might want to work on the magazine. We will be building a cryonic's library and we will expand that into a cryonic's museum. And, if all goes well, in a few years we will be constructing a larger cryonics community with permanent housing for our fellow cryonicists, and then a retirement community and then a hospice. E-mail me your thoughts and let's talk.
David Pizer
Note: the Creekside Preserve Lodge and Guest Cabins complex is now fully operational! If all goes well, it will be gradually expanded into a full-blown cryonics "town" (the first of its kind): Ventureville.
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