What if we dont believe that God exists (but really wish we did)? – Forward

Still Small Voice is a collection of 18 interviews with clergy tackling 18 questions about God, published during the month of Elul, a time of Jewish reflection and accountability. Click here to read the introduction to the series, and here to browse the collection.

When I embarked in March on a project asking rabbis and scholars to help me unpack common questions about God, I started by making a list of those questions that I hear most often from friends and readers, in synagogue and seminars, in my own head and heart.

Does God love us?

Is God good?

Is God less visible now?

I also invited each of my interview subjects to frame their own question. Rabbi Jason Rubenstein, chaplain and senior rabbi of the Hillel at Yale University, emailed me back right away: What should we do if, in our heart of hearts, we dont believe that a being like God exists, but really wish we did?

I had not considered that category: non-believers who wished they believed. This despite the fact that Im a believer married to a non-believer who has often said that deep faith is appealing to him but that he cant manufacture it.

Id reached out to Rubenstein at the Slifka Center for Jewish Life at Yale the campus Hillel whose board invited me to join its leadership two years ago because Id been a fan of Rubensteins refreshing teaching years before he moved to New Haven. I had gotten to know him when he was on the faculty of Hadar, an independent institute of learning on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, where I would occasionally go for lectures.

Rubenstein did not give me some easy elevator pitch to sell God to the non-believer. If I had to distill my takeaway from our conversation, its this: a life of religion lies in the hope we hold deep in our hearts, even though we cant defend or even explain it.

That felt awfully slippery to me at first: the idea that non-believers who want to believe can find God in a stubborn dream for utopia.

The Talmudic text Rubenstein chose to help explain his approach is from Pesikta de-Rav Kahana (Mandelbaum) 19).It likens stalwart optimism to a lovers faith. Its a story from ancient Rabbinic commentary about a romantic marriage that takes an abrupt turn when the husband leaves the wife without explanation.

The wife is despairing. After years of absence, every friend tells her to give up on her husband, but instead she re-reads his love letters and his marriage vows, and regains her faith in him. One day he suddenly returns home and says, I cant believe you waited for me.

Our conversation is below, edited for clarity and length. To read other interviews in this series, click here.

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Abigail Pogrebin: How does your love story relate to our question?

Rabbi Jason Rubenstein: So, too, the Jewish people and God.

AP: You mean the wife is the Jewish people and the husband is God? In other words, God might disappear for a while, but really never leaves us and always returns?

JR: God brought us out of Egypt, God was there at Sinai, God fed us manna in the desert, God gave us the kings in Palestine, and then God disappears, right?

AP: Yes. God seems gone when both Temples are destroyed, when the Jews are exiled, when generations are persecuted

JR: Its a long time being Jewish with a lot of suffering many people died for being Jewish. And some people could say, Look, its not working. Assimilate. Leave it. Stop having this hope.

But we go back and we read the Torah and are able to hold out hope, and eventually when God comes back, the first thing God will say is, I cant believe you waited for me.

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AP: So faith is the belief that God comes back, that the story can have a buoyant ending?

JR: Everything runs counter to that, right? The evidence is on the side of the skeptics the people who say, This isnt worth it. This doesnt make sense. Its not a grown-up, responsible, clear-headed way to live. Giving up on God would have been the rational thing to do. The world as interpreted by a reasonable person living in it would not lead you to religion.

AP: So in the midst of so much hard history and disappointment, what leads a Jew to faith?

JR: Its actually against the disenchanted, broken-hearted backdrop of all the suffering that religious institutions and Judaism have a purpose, which is to be the kind of place that enables people to hope for something that they cant defend and maybe cant even explain, but is the most important dream of theirs.

AP: Judaism helps us maintain hope in an unlikely dream? Can you make that more concrete?

JR: This is actually how I think about prayer especially the second paragraph of the Amidah when we say God is healing the sick, raising up the downtrodden; or thanking God for restoring our souls to us after our deaths, with the hope of eternal life with those we love.

I dont recite those things because I think theyre factually true about the world. I say them because they are the set of things that I dream of and long for, and I worry I might lose my ability to hope for them. So I try to repeat them every day.

AP: So people who dont believe in God but would like to they can hold both the knowledge that the ideal isnt true and a faith that the ideal is possible.

JR: Its the dream of the hopeless romantic to keep on being that hopeless romantic. Believing in the world as it should be. As you thought it would be. Because the world is going to take that away from you.

AP: Its like youre saying God is found in an insistent, almost childlike optimism that life experience can steal away.

JR: This Talmudic story captures being in a situation where you have a hazy memory of a halcyon time maybe a pre-verbal memory of the world being a different place, back where your parents could pick you up and swing you around, answer every question and have superpowers.

AP: Our younger lens, when things seemed softer and solvable.

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JR: Right. When you were young and you saw something wrong, you would say to yourself, This is not the way things have to be. Its not the way they ought to be. I know that. There was a gut sense of injustice.

AP: But then you grow up and you realize those ideals and mini-outrages are a little naive.

JR: So how do you live with that? Its really hard because you could say, Well, that was unrealistic. I was a Socialist in my 20s, and then I realized thats dumb. Theres always going to be oppression and inequality. Thats how human beings are.

AP: Or you could resolve to try to do something about those injustices.

JR: Well, that line of thinking is very influential in Jewish circles the idea of saying, Im going to fix the world myself, or we are going to do it together. We are gonna get unemployment down to zero, were going to decrease inequality.

AP: I get the sense you think thats the wrong approach to think we have a role to play in balancing the scale?

JR: I do think its important and we can each do a lot humanity has done amazing things. But I also know that people often burn out. We actually cant fix it. Organizers and chaplainswe burn out.

So how can you go around the world mostly as an operating, functional adult who cares about people and say both?: No, this is not the world as it should be and Im going to try to fix it, and also: I realize that maybe our collective powers arent enough to remake the world into what it should be. And I just walk around with a sense of longing for a better reality that I maybe cant even fully imagine.

AP: And that longing is God? Im not sure thats a selling point for Judaism. Its pretty grim. Youre basically saying that God is in the place between the world we want and the world we have.

JR: Well, there is something grim about it. But I want to say something about the grimness, because I think its important.

Often in psychological counseling, they teach you that people try to make sense of their bad situations by claiming a false sense of agency. For example, the reason I got mugged is because I turned down that alley, but if I had done something different, it would have been okay.

The idea that we really could control the world if we just did things differently is very comforting, but its also not true. Were vulnerable. Thats just how we are. We cant always make the right choices because we dont know what alley people are in.

And I think that theres something similarly misguided in our focus on improving the world as the primary mandate of Judaism; its this reach for agency. Which is an attempt to deny or refute a deeper fear that maybe we really cant fix the world.

AP: So religion is that space for fantasy (the world as we wish it) and also reality (we cant fix the world). That rings true to me, even though its a lot to download.

Just so I understand where you sit personally: can you tell me who or what is the God you believe in?

JR: I would say that my religious life happens in the chasm between the God I believe in and the God I dream of. One of the main ways that I turn to Judaism is to help me hold that chasm open against all the forces of this world of loss and of rationalism that wear away at me to give up the dream or fantasy as childish, unrealistic, or not helpful.

AP: And God appears to you in that chasm you keep describing?

JR: Its the voice that we hear when were really in the brokenness, and also at weddings and births the voice that makes audible and maybe visible the unbridgeable gap between the world as it is and the world as it could be.

Abigail Pogrebin, a freelance journalist, author, and public speaker, is a Forward contributing writer. Follow her on Twitter, @apogrebin. Rabbi Jason Rubenstein is the Jewish Chaplain at Yale. @SlifkaCenter

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Still Small Voice: 18 Questions About God is a special project for the month of Elul, a traditional period of reflection and accountability. Click here to read the previous interview in the series, and here to browse the collection.

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What if we dont believe that God exists (but really wish we did)? - Forward