OMS: What is hard for me to reconcile with these critics is these are people who have never talked about police brutality or mass incarceration. You cant just ignore all of the issues the movement is talking about and only criticize. There are people who think Black Lives Matter activists want to destroy the family. One priest even called them maggots and parasites last year. They dont want to sit down and understand the history of the movement. They dont want to learn from these activists.
JG: You write that the goal of your book is to help Catholics, and all Christians, work toward a Christ-centered, Black liberation. Can you explain what you mean by that and what would that look like if we achieved it?
OMS: For me, it means becoming a Church that cares about equality for Black and Brown people and all marginalized communities. We know our country has not prioritized marginalized people. We need to be a Church that rejects the very public displays of whiteness that our Church associates with being Catholic, and that centers Catholics of color in order to become the universal Church we think we are. And that means bishops publicly apologizing for the Churchs white supremacy, talking about abolition of police, and meeting with organizers. This is what liberation work means to me.
JG: As you document in the book, the Church has a very long history of entanglement with racism and white supremacy. Until recently, not many people have been talking about this. Why do you think there has been so much silence for so long?
OMS: The reason is that people hold power because of that silence, and our Church has internalized white supremacy. People dont want to relinquish power. To do actual reckoning you have to ask yourself, How have I been complicit? People dont want to do that. Liberal Catholics also have to ask how they have been complicit. You cant just say Black Lives Matter. We really dont know how to do this reckoning work. Bishops should be showing us how to grapple with the sin of racism.
JG: You praise Bishop Mark Seitz of El Paso for speaking out strongly against white supremacy and kneeling in protest with a Black Lives Matter sign. But youre critical of most statements the bishops have released, including the U.S. bishops 2018 pastoral letter on racism, Open Wide Our Hearts. What do you think the bishops should be saying that they are not saying?
OMS: The statements should not be so long or written in language that doesnt resonate with people. I also want to see every white bishop talk about white privilege. I want to see them grapple with the same topics I was grappling with in the book and talk about racial capitalism and how our health-care institutions grew out of exploitation of Black bodies. People are afraid to do this public work because its hard and they are afraid to mess up. Its okay to mess up.
JG: The Black Lives Matter movement doesnt seem to have as many connections with churches or other houses of worship in the way that civil-rights leaders of the past were shaped by and deeply connected to the Black church as an epicenter of resistance. Is that simply a generational reality or are other things going on?
OMS: This is a movement that was born online and uses social media to share its message. So I think its generational. Its also a decentralized movement that doesnt have one very established leader or headquarters. But there is spirituality and there are religious folks in the movement, especially after Ferguson. There was heavy church participation there, but its so decentralized it means people are not necessarily telling these stories. I think religious media needs to take this movement more seriously. When I spoke with Alicia Garza [a co-founder of Black Lives Matter], she welcomed faith leaders getting involved. I can tell you this movement has made me a better Catholic.
JG: What advice do you have for white Catholics who want to be allies of Black Lives Matter and be anti-racists?
OMS: The number one question that every white Catholic has to ask themselves is, How have I been complicit in white supremacy, and how can I be better? You need to ask: How can I center marginalized people? Can I give other people the opportunity to do this work instead of me? As an editor, am I only giving bylines to white people? People need to ask themselves how they can shift power. This is difficult because it requires sacrifice, but that is what solidarity is. A lot of people will need to realize they need to step aside. Its not supposed to be easy.
JG: What are some things in the Church that give you hope when it comes to confronting our history and taking steps to end white supremacy?
OMS: The thing that really gives me hope is Black and Brown Catholic women. Amid all this suffering in the past year and as I was trying to write a book, I found a community of Black and Brown Catholic women who remind me why I stay in this Church and what this Church should be. Black women are teaching me Christ-centered liberation.
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