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Up until recently, I had no real opinion about pantheism. One poster...just one...has given me a totally negative view of pantheism. After reading this poster's posts over several months, I have come to the conclusion that pantheism has no moral core.

One can only hope Goldie provides credible arguments for his religion instead of the usual evasive assertions.

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One can only hope Goldie provides credible arguments for his religion instead of the usual evasive assertions.

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One can only hope Goldie provides credible arguments for his religion instead of the usual evasive assertions.

If you are not satisfied with that (as you are not satisfied with any Theistic Views)...that issue is completely on you. Best wishes resolving that problem. I will pray for you.

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It also appears to be a problem for those faking spiritual wisdom. These constant, dishonest attacks instead of addressing the does not suggest a wise sage is posting. One can only hope provides credible arguments for his religion instead of the usual evasive assertions.

Do you yourself even know what that is? This is not about what anyone else says or does or believes or defines it as. It is what you yourself recognize and know and grasp.

Think of it this way, think of someone who doesn't get art, or doesn't get music, making the types of demands and statements we see on threads regarding paths of religion and spirituality. What makes art, art, and not just a bunch of scribbles. What makes music,music, and not just a bunch of noise. Demands to "prove" art. Demands to "provide credible argument for music." Crowing about "which music is true" "which art is truth." Drawing conclusions such as "there are so many different kinds of music, they can't all be right, some even contradict each other, therefore music is false" "if art was true it would all show the same thing" "people who discuss art are faking it" "people who discuss music are dishonest" "where are the arguments for art" "show a rational argument for music" "faking music wisdom" "faking art wisdom"

That is how the questions and demands and 'conclusions' come across which are made about paths of religion and spirituality including Pantheism the topic of this thread. so i'm asking how do you yourself know what is music and not just a bunch of noise. how do you yourself know what is art and not just a bunch of scribbles. and again the same question: how do you yourself know what is sacred,holy,divinity.

because based on the repetitive demands and repetitive statements, that may be the obstacle. that you don't.

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Do you yourself even know what that is? This is not about what anyone else says or does or believes or defines it as. It is what you yourself recognize and know and grasp.

Think of it this way, think of someone who doesn't get art, or doesn't get music, making the types of demands and statements we see on threads regarding paths of religion and spirituality. What makes art, art, and not just a bunch of scribbles. What makes music,music, and not just a bunch of noise. Demands to "prove" art. Demands to "provide credible argument for music." Crowing about "which music is true" "which art is truth." Drawing conclusions such as "there are so many different kinds of music, they can't all be right, some even contradict each other, therefore music is false" "if art was true it would all show the same thing" "people who discuss art are faking it" "people who discuss music are dishonest" "where are the arguments for art" "show a rational argument for music" "faking music wisdom" "faking art wisdom"

That is how the questions and demands and 'conclusions' come across which are made about paths of religion and spirituality including Pantheism the topic of this thread. so i'm asking how do you yourself know what is music and not just a bunch of noise. how do you yourself know what is art and not just a bunch of scribbles. and again the same question: how do you yourself know what is sacred,holy,divinity.

because based on the repetitive demands and repetitive statements, that may be the obstacle. that you don't.

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The three obstacles you show here are:1) you STILL not understanding the simple difference between subjective and objective2) the fact that people do fake sacred, holy and divine truth, and3) why are you asking me when even the religious and spiritual can not agree on what is sacred, holy or divine.

it is like someone saying these:"the fact that people do fake music" "the fact that people do fake art""people can't even agree on music" "people can't even agree on art"

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the type of music a person prefers and chooses is subjective. the existence of music is not. a person recognizes or not that music exists. the type of art a person prefers and chooses is subjective. the existence of art is not. a person recognizes or not that art exists.the type of religion and spirituality a person prefers and chooses is subjective. the existence of the holy and sacred is not. a person recognizes or not the holy and sacred exists.

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bingo. that answers the question and identifies the obstacle.that you do not grasp what it even is, what it even means, and do not recognize sacred,holy, Divinity.

Just more dishonesty from you, your conclusion does not follow from my post.

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it is like someone saying these:"the fact that people do fake music" "the fact that people do fake art""people can't even agree on music" "people can't even agree on art"

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repeating the phrase "subjective and objective" has nothing to do with having an internal understanding of why is art not just a fake bunch of scribbles, why is music not just a fake bunch of noise, why is religion and spirituality not just a fake bunch of words.

Focus on what people are actually saying, do not dishonestly swap objective for subjective to make an answer that answers nothing.

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