Two agency inspectors general got salaries that busted legal limits on political employee pay – Federal News Network

Editors Note: The NSA IG mentioned in the report and in this interview, Robert Storch, told Federal News Network that the day ofter he learned of the cost-of-living adjustments he received, he repaid them with a personal check for $17,595.13. Storch says he was not consulted on the increases, and declined to seek a waiver to keep them.

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The inspectors general for two intelligence agencies were each overpaid by tens of thousands of dollars between 2016 and 2020. Thats according to an internal Defense Department memo a whistleblower supplied to Empower Oversight, an outside watchdog group. Theres no clear evidence anyone intentionally did anything wrong. Theres also no evidence the moneys been repaid or whether the matter has been properly investigated. Jason Foster is founder and president of Empower Oversight. He spoke with Federal News Networks Jared Serbu on theFederal Drive with Tom Teminabout what we know and dont know.

Jason Foster: The memo was provided to the DoD inspector generals office and it walks through the relevant legal authorities for inspector general pay because inspector general pay is set by statute. And inspectors general are senior officials who are subject to a pay freeze and so the memo went through and concluded and reported findings to the DoD IG that these two inspectors general at NSA and NRO had been, according to this official at DoD, overpaid the amounts of approximately $18,000 total for one of the IGs and approximately $150,000 total for the other IG. And this is over a multiple-year timeframe.

Jared Serbu: And youre fairly confident at this point that that memo is authentic, even though it was not provided to you from an official source of any kind?

Jason Foster: Yes, so we attached a copy of the memo to our FOIA requests to all the agencies that we asked about it. And in our FOIA request, we explicitly said that we had received it from an anonymous source and couldnt independently authenticate it. However, since we sent those FOIA requests we were contacted by multiple other sources, who did authenticate the memo who we know who they are, and they are in a position to know that its an authentic memo.

Jared Serbu:And I believe youve seen a response from the NSA IG that basically just indicates this was a clerical error that he knew nothing about at the time. Anything similar from NRO, so far?

Jason Foster: No, weve had no contact from NRO. And I would note just that the amount for the NRO IG, the total amount of the alleged overpayments is much higher, its much more significant than with the, in one case, it was just the NSA IG got a cost of living increase that the DoD memo says he wasnt entitled to. However, with the NRO IG, youre talking about overpayments of over $40,000 a year for several years totaling about $150,000.

Jared Serbu:Yeah, can you unpack that one, maybe a little bit more? Because that one, it looks as, for one thing it spans over more years than the NSA IG overpayments did. But also it looks in that case as though the official started at a higher salary than would have been entitled to under law and then continue to get increases year after year after that.

Jason Foster: Yeah, thats exactly correct. So we lay out the numbers from the memo in our FOIA request. And, you know, this is, again, the these are approximate and we dont have access to the underlying records. We just have the summary memo that the DoD provided to the DoD IG. And you know, according to that memo, the overpayments were about $5,000 in 2016; about $20,000 in 2017; about $38,000 in 2018; about $40,000 in 2019; and about $45,000 in 2020. I mean, this is significantly above the level at what an executive level, I think its executive level three, I think is the pay cap for a presidentially appointed inspector general.

Jared Serbu:I know you said youve not gotten any official responses from NRO yet, but is there any document in your possession or anything that youve seen that would lead you to come up with some reason why this might have happened in that case?

Jason Foster: I mean, I have a little bit of insight, again, from sources who contacted me after we sent the FOIA request as sort of what the backstory was. When this memo came over to the DoD OIG, they then referred it to the Council of Inspectors General Integrity Committee (CIGIE), which is sort of the self-policing body for inspectors general, to see if there was any potential investigation that body ought to do. I dont know whether they also informed the White House or Congress or anyone else, but its because the DoD IG is the one who referred it to the integrity committee, there were concerns about potential retaliation if, because the NSA IG is the nominee to be the new DoD IG, right? And so its the office that he would be taking over where people had, just doing what they thought was their duty, referred it for potential inquiry. And we raised questions about why the integrity committee didnt look at it, and how can this not have been elevated to responsible people in the political branches, either in Congress or the White House and sort of how, its just sort of perplexing, like, how could this happen without anybody knowing, and without it being public? You dont have accidental pay raises going to other IGs and I dont know if its because theyre national security components. And so theres just not as much transparency or what the explanation is.

Jared Serbu:Lets unpack that CIGIE piece a little bit, I think the allegation in your original whistleblower communication was not only was CIGIE aware that these overpayments had happened and didnt really do any kind of investigation, but may have also alerted the people who would have been the subjects of the investigation. Is that right?

Jason Foster: Thats correct. So the source who provided the memo to us also alleged that in CIGIE meetings, there was essentially a heads up to the other IGs and said, Hey, this is something that came in to the integrity committee, and you should double check and make sure your houses there in order, right? Basically, theres going to be scrutiny on this. So there was, like I said, essentially, a heads up to everyone to make sure that they werent in a similar position.

Jared Serbu:I want to stress I dont think theres really any hard evidence at this point that there was any impropriety on the part of CIGIE or, frankly, anyone else at this point because we just havent seen the documents yet. But does this kind of structure give you any kind of pause just in terms of how inspectors general are overseen? It is really, as you said, really just a self policing body where the inspectors general themselves are really the only oversight they have other than each of their respective agency directors, or am I missing something?

Jason Foster: Right, and Congress, right. I mean, and technically CIGIE, theres an OMB official who is part of CIGIE by statute. So thats supposed to be the line of oversight to the White House. But again, with my background and working years and years on issues around the IG community from Capitol Hill, my concern is there needs to be transparency and oversight and questions being asked from Capitol Hill about these things. I mean, this is ultimately, the structure, as you said, it is largely a self-policing structure. The integrity committee itself, the NSA IG was the vice chair of the integrity committee at the time this report came in and so had to recuse himself. My understanding is he did properly as I would expect, he recused himself from any consideration of this particular matter. But the standards are very opaque and vague as to what the integrity committee will open an investigation on and what it wont open an investigation on. And there has been a lot of dissatisfaction on Capitol Hill over the years with the integrity committees performance. It seems to be either too aggressive in some cases for some reasons and not aggressive enough in other cases. And theres no sort of coherent explanation for why they will open up an investigation on some and not open investigations on others. And my argument from the time even from when I was on Capitol Hill as a staffer dealing with CIGIE and its leadership was you need to manage this situation, when you have a problem like this, that has the potential to tarnish the reputation of the inspector general community writ large. You need to show some leadership and and make sure that its raised to the political branches to deal with, and that folks on the Hill and the folks in the White House know when theres an issue and can step in and resolve it one way or the other.

Jared Serbu:To the best of your knowledge, is anyone on the Hill actively looking into this?

Jason Foster: We published an update to our press release that included questions for the record from Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), who had asked the NSA IG about the overpayments in the course of his confirmation proceedings, because hes the nominee to be the new DoD inspector general. And so thats the only one where I know we were provided a copy of the answer that the NSA inspector general provided to Sen. Hawleys office in response to that question for the record. But I know that that nomination hasnt moved forward in the last several weeks and that there were attempts to hotline it, and to have it passed by UC and that that hasnt occurred yet.

Jared Serbu:Just one more question on transparency. Beyond transparency around policy, is what you call it opaque a second ago, what else could or should CIGIE be doing to make the whole process that they run more transparent, and as you said, increase that or maintain that level of trust that everybody needs to have in the IG community?

Jason Foster: Well, we tried to impose some of that transparency back in 2016, when I worked on the IG empowerment act, and we had, there were dissatisfaction then on both sides of the aisle about the speed with which integrity committee investigations were being completed. And we passed at that time, a reporting requirement that said that when the integrity committee has an investigation on an IG thats open for more than 180 days, that then you have to send a report up to Congress with an explanation. Well, since Ive been off the Hill and Im now in this role in an outside watchdog organization, we actually FOIAd a whole bunch of those reports. Theyre not routinely made public. The statute didnt require them to make public so if Congress doesnt post them or put them out, then nobody sees them. And when we got them, we were sort of shocked by how little information is actually in them. So theyre constantly punting on these investigations. They stay open for extremely long periods of time, and then they send these perfunctory reports up to Congress technically satisfying the statute, but really not telling you much about why its taking so long. There were some people who wanted, who had argued for actual caps with requirements that look, you got to finish this investigation within X amount of time or something, some kind of consequence occurs. But they fought that, and we sort of had this compromise of the reporting requirement. But it doesnt seem to be doing much. So I know that theres talk among good government groups on the outside across the ideological spectrum about readdressing integrity committee reforms, because nobody seems to be happy with the progress on either side.

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