Dining across the divide: Hes such a nice guy but supports Brexit. Hes young; its not normal – The Guardian

Batuhan, 25, Bournemouth

Occupation Support worker and neuropsychology research assistantVoting record Batuhan is not eligible to vote in the UK. In the last Turkish local government elections, he voted for the centre-left Republican Peoples partyAmuse bouche Huge fan of basketball; supports any team LeBron James is playing for

Occupation Semi-retired; runs a mental health charity, Sporting RecoveryVoting record Votes Labour, except when Tony Blair was leader, when he voted Green or for the Socialist partyAmuse bouche Was the first black person in the country to be a football community development officer: that was in the 80s, for Millwall, where he received death threats

Batuhan We arrived at the same time. The first thing I realised was that he was wearing a traditional scarf from my home country. I said: In the eastern part of Turkey, people wear this. He said: Yeah, I wore it on purpose. Hed looked up my name. I thought that was really nice.

Ron Ive been to Turkey a couple of times, and fell in love with the place. They like black people. Batuhans a nice guy, extremely clever. As I say in the trade, double-clever. I took the lead and ordered burgers for us.

Batuhan I support Brexit. The idea behind it was to liberate the UK from taking on the debt of other countries. We are working here, and making money why are we giving money to Greece and other European countries? We could spend that money here, for the children of England, Scotland or Wales, building new facilities. I supported Turkey joining the EU because of the passport exemptions; I thought it would ease the travel pressures. But its different for the UK. Turkey would have had more advantages than disadvantages from membership, whereas I think the opposite is true for the UK.

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Ron Hes such a nice guy, but supports Brexit, the so-and-so! Hes young; its not normal for a young guy to be pro-Brexit. When the Brexit vote happened, I felt I wasnt wanted in this country, even though I was born here. It was just Johnson and Farage, selling their rhetoric, which was xenophobic. I think he took it on board.

Batuhan Right now, I think the EU is taking its revenge on the UK. And they will learn that England is not a country you can take revenge on.

Ron Not being funny, most people who voted for Brexit were quite thick.

Batuhan He said something offensive about the English people, that I do not want to repeat. We agreed we need people from other countries to work in healthcare, supermarkets, lorry drivers. But he has this belief that Brexit will be the end of the UK. Its the capitalist world. Its always going to right itself.

Ron My dad sold his two cows in Jamaica to get here. A tenner each. He came first, my mum came after, then they had us here. They named us Ronald and Derek. Subconsciously they knew that if we had British names wed be more likely to get on. I said to Batuhan: I bet youve been discriminated against just because of your name. Youve got to do twice as much, be twice as good. He agreed with that. I think he was quite shy and I well, not bullied him, I beat him over the head a few times.

Batuhan We agreed on that we also agreed that, 100 years ago, 50 years ago, if a black man or an Asian person was walking down the street, he would have been verbally assaulted. Just because those behaviours no longer happen doesnt mean racism is dead.

Ron There was an important crossover: he does neuroscience and Ive worked in mental health all our interests are from the neck upwards. I deliver exercise to people with brain injuries, for them to recover their coordination, learn to walk again. And hed done work on brain injuries in neuroscience.

Batuhan Our jobs arent similar, but they do overlap; were both very interested in rehabilitation.

Ron It was a nice, pleasant afternoon. We got on well. You can differ, cant you?

Batuhan Friendship doesnt need you to agree on everything. You can still sit and talk like gentlemen, like civilised people. I really enjoyed talking with Ron. Im going to see him in Salisbury.

Additional reporting: Naomi Larsson

Batuhan and Ron ate at Goat and Tricycle in Bournemouth

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This article was amended on 17 December to correct some personal information.

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Dining across the divide: Hes such a nice guy but supports Brexit. Hes young; its not normal - The Guardian