{"id":32345,"date":"2017-06-28T21:41:06","date_gmt":"2017-06-29T01:41:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.opensource.im\/uncategorized\/australias-encryption-thwart-thought-is-fraught-zdnet-zdnet.php"},"modified":"2017-06-28T21:41:06","modified_gmt":"2017-06-29T01:41:06","slug":"australias-encryption-thwart-thought-is-fraught-zdnet-zdnet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/encryption\/australias-encryption-thwart-thought-is-fraught-zdnet-zdnet.php","title":{"rendered":"Australia&#8217;s encryption thwart thought is fraught | ZDNet &#8211; ZDNet"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Australia's favourite Attorney-General, Senator George Brandis    QC, has been in Ottawa discussing how we and our Five Eyes    intelligence partners can     'thwart' terrorists' encrypted communications. What has he    achieved?  <\/p>\n<p>    Brandis     told ABC Radio on Wednesday morning that defeating    encryption was a \"very important part of the proceedings\" at    the meetings between the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand, and    Australia, because encryption is \"impeding lawful access to the    content of communications\".  <\/p>\n<p>    \"So what we decided to do in particular was to engage with ISPs    and device makers to secure from them the greatest possible    level of cooperation. I also discussed with my American    counterpart, Attorney-General Sessions, the development of    cross-border access without having to go through the rather    prolonged procedure of mutual    legal assistance,\" Brandis said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Leaving aside the question of whether lawful access rules    should be re-examined, improving the pace at which law    enforcement agencies can respond is a sensible goal. But what    of the technical aspects?  <\/p>\n<p>    As ABC Radio asked: \"What are you actually asking them to do?    Because tech companies say you can only break into these    messages if you've planted a flaw or a bug into the software    before it's sold. Is that what you want the device makers to    do?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Not specifically, said Brandis, and it's not as simple as that.    And indeed, he's previously said he's     not interested in backdoors.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"What we need is to develop, and what we'll be asking the    device makers and the ISPs to agree to, is a series of    protocols as to the circumstances in which they will be able to    provide voluntary assistance to law enforcement,\" Brandis said.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"There is also of course the capacity which exists now in the    UK and in New Zealand, under their legislation, for coercive    powers, but we don't want to resort to that,\" he added. Brandis    wants a set of \"voluntary solutions\".  <\/p>\n<p>    When pressured about what that might mean, Brandis said that is    a discussion that is yet to happen, and he didn't want to get    ahead of himself, or narrow or confine its scope.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"First of all, I've made it clear that we're not going to ask    the tech companies to backdoor their systems. Secondly [for    example] section 253 of the British Investigative Powers Act    does impose an obligation, subject to reasonableness and    proportionality, upon providers to do whatever they reasonably    can be expected to do to enable law enforcement to inspect    messages that are the subject of encryption, or inspect    devices,\" Brandis said.  <\/p>\n<p>    And as for the idea of banning end-to-end encrypted messaging    apps like Signal and WhatsApp entirely, Brandis said \"it was    not discussed, and wasn't thought of, and it would be    infeasible.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    So here's where we're up to.  <\/p>\n<p>    Brandis says end-to-end encryption is a problem for law    enforcement, which it is. He's not going for a backdoor, and    says that's not feasible, which it isn't. So has he started a        war on mathematics? Has he foolishly tried to tackle maths    with the law?  <\/p>\n<p>    After all, Brandis isn't known for his technical acumen,    particularly after that Walkley Award-winning interview where    he     struggled to explain metadata.  <\/p>\n<p>    No. Forget the maths. Join some different dots.  <\/p>\n<p>    First, Brandis plans to talk to device manufacturers. Even now,    telco switches must have a lawful    interception (LI) capability, so that conversations can be    intercepted -- or wiretapped, as Americans say. I'm guessing he    simply means extending that requirement to endpoint devices,    where messages could be intercepted before they're encrypted.  <\/p>\n<p>    Second, Brandis wants to talk to ISPs. That's probably not to    decrypt messages as they pass through, because that's kinda    hard. It's probably to help the telcos identify the device in    use, so that its lawful interception capability can be turned    on.  <\/p>\n<p>    That's all technically possible, achievable with legal    pressure, and fits nicely within the national and international    legal frameworks already in place.  <\/p>\n<p>    But it's not a win, at least not for us citizens.  <\/p>\n<p>    Current LI capabilities work through telco switches, so in    theory they can only be turned on from within the telcos    themselves. Yeah, shoosh you.  <\/p>\n<p>    But mobile devices can be anywhere on the planet. The Brandis    Plan, if it's what I think it is, would mean devices could    potentially have their LI capability turned on from any telco    on the planet and routed ... somewhere.  <\/p>\n<p>    Why?  <\/p>\n<p>    Because research as recently as late 2016 has shown that    international     mobile data networks are a security nightmare.  <\/p>\n<p>    The only protections from LI capabilities going rogue would be    mobile network switching security, and the processes within    device makers' supply chains, and telcos, to prevent    information leaking to bad people. There's no attack surface in    there at all, right?  <\/p>\n<p>    Sigh.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Brandis Plan may well be able to achieve his goals, but at    what cost?  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more from the original source:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.zdnet.com\/article\/australias-encryption-thwart-thought-is-fraught\/\" title=\"Australia's encryption thwart thought is fraught | ZDNet - ZDNet\">Australia's encryption thwart thought is fraught | ZDNet - ZDNet<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Australia's favourite Attorney-General, Senator George Brandis QC, has been in Ottawa discussing how we and our Five Eyes intelligence partners can 'thwart' terrorists' encrypted communications. 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