{"id":31174,"date":"2017-01-02T17:41:57","date_gmt":"2017-01-02T22:41:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.opensource.im\/uncategorized\/the-guardians-summary-of-julian-assanges-interview-went.php"},"modified":"2017-01-02T17:41:57","modified_gmt":"2017-01-02T22:41:57","slug":"the-guardians-summary-of-julian-assanges-interview-went","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/julian-assange-2\/the-guardians-summary-of-julian-assanges-interview-went.php","title":{"rendered":"The Guardians Summary of Julian Assanges Interview Went &#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      (updated below [Fri.])    <\/p>\n<p>      Julian Assange isa deeply polarizing figure.      Many admire him and many despise him (into which category one      falls in any given year       typicallydepends on ones feelings aboutthe      subject of his most recent publication of leaked documents).    <\/p>\n<p>      But ones views of Assange are completely irrelevant      to this article, which is not about Assange. This article,      instead,is about areport published this week by      The Guardian thatrecklesslyattributed to Assange      comments that he did not make. This article is about how      those false claims  fabrications, really  were spread all      over the internet by journalists, causing hundreds of      thousands of people (if not millions) to consume false news.      The purpose of this article is to underscore, yet again, that      those who most flamboyantly denounce Fake News, and want      Facebook and other tech giants to suppress content in the      name of combating it, are often the most aggressive and      self-serving perpetrators of it.    <\/p>\n<p>      Ones views of Assange are completely irrelevant to this      article because, presumably, everyone agrees that publication      of false claims by a media outlet is very bad, even when its      designed to malign someone you hate. Journalistic      recklessness does not become noble or tolerable if it serves      the right agenda or cause. The only way ones views of      Assangeare relevant to this article is if one finds      journalistic falsehoods and Fake News objectionable only when      deployed against figures one likes.    <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>      The shoddy and misleading Guardian      article,written by Ben Jacobs,       was published on December 24. It made two primary claims       both of which are demonstrably false. The first false claim      was hypedin the articles headline: Julian Assange      gives guarded praise of Trumpand blasts Clinton in      interview. This claim was repeated in the first paragraph of      the article: Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has      offered guarded praise of Donald Trump.     <\/p>\n<p>      The second claim was an even worse assault on basic      journalism. Jacobs set up this claim by asserting      thatAssange long had a close relationship with the      Putin regime. The only evidence offered for this      extraordinary claim was that Assange, in 2012, conducted      eight interviews that were       broadcast on RT. With the claimed Assange-Putin alliance      implanted, Jacobs then wrote: In his interview with la      Repubblica, [Assange]said there was no need for      WikiLeaks to undertake a whistleblowing role in Russia      because of the open and competitive debate he claimed exists      there.    <\/p>\n<p>      The reason these two claims areso significant, so      certain to attract massive numbers of clicks and shares, is      obvious. They play directly into the biases of Clinton      supporters and flatter their central narrative about the      election: that Clinton lost because the Kremlinused its      agents, such as Assange, to boost Trump and sink      Clinton.By design, the articlemakes it seem as      though Assange is heraldingRussia assuch a free,      vibrant, andtransparent political culture that  in      contrast to the repressive West  no whistleblowing is      needed, all while praising Trump.    <\/p>\n<p>      But none of that actually happened. Those claimsare      made up.    <\/p>\n<p>      Despite how much online attention it received, Jacobss      Guardian article contained no original reporting. Indeed, it      did nothing but purport to summarize the work of an actually      diligent journalist: Stefania Maurizi of the Italian daily la      Repubblica, who traveled to London and conducted the      interview with Assange. Maurizis interview was conducted in      English, and la Repubblica       published the transcriptonline. Jacobss work      consisted of nothing other than purporting to re-write the      parts of that interview he wanted to highlight, so that he      and The Guardian could receive the traffic for her work.    <\/p>\n<p>      Ever since the Guardian article was published and went      viral,Maurizi has repeatedly objected to the false      claims being made about what Assange said in their interview.      But while Western journalists keep re-tweeting and sharing      The Guardians second-hand summary of this interview, they      completely ignoreMaurizis protests  for reasons that      are both noxious and revealing.    <\/p>\n<p>      To see how blatantly false The Guardians claims are, all one      needs to do is compare the claims about what Assange said in      the interview to the text of what he actually said.    <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>      To begin with, Assange did not praise Trump, guardedly      or otherwise. He was not asked whether he likesTrump,      nor did he opine on that. Rather, he was asked what he      thought the consequenceswould be of Trumps victory:      What about Donald Trump? What is going to happen?  What do      you think he means? Speaking predictively,      Assangeneutrally described what he believed would be      the outcome:    <\/p>\n<p>        Hillary Clintons election would have been a consolidation        of power in the existing ruling class of the United States.        Donald Trump is not a D.C. insider, he is part of the        wealthy ruling elite of the United States, and he is        gathering around him a spectrum of other rich people and        several idiosyncratic personalities. They do not by        themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak        structure which is displacing and destabilizing the        pre-existing central power network within D.C. It is a new        patronage structure which will evolve rapidly, but at the        moment its looseness means there are opportunities for        change in the United States: change for the worse and        change for the better.      <\/p>\n<p>      Most of those facts  Clintons election would have been a      consolidation of power and Trump is creating a new      patronage structure  are barely debatable. They are just      observably true. But whatever ones views on his statements,      they do not remotely constitute praise for Trump.    <\/p>\n<p>      In fact, Assange says Trump is part of the wealthy ruling      elite of the United States who is gathering around him a      spectrum of other rich people and several idiosyncratic      personalities. The fact that Assange sees possibility for      exploiting the resulting instability for positive outcomes,      along with being fearfulabout change for the worse,      makes him exactly like pretty much every political and media      organization that is opportunistically searching for ways to      convert the Trumpian dark cloud into some silver lining.    <\/p>\n<p>      Everyone from       the New York Times and       ThinkProgressto       the ACLU and Democratic      Socialistshas sought or touted a massive upsurge in      support ushered in by the Trump victory, with hopes that it      will re-embolden support for critical political values.      Immediately after the election, Democrats such as       Bernie Sanders,       Elizabeth Warren, and       Chuck Schumer said exactly what Assange said: that they      were willing and eager to exploit the ways that a Trump      presidency could create new opportunities (in the case of the      first two, Trumps abrogation of the TPP, and in the case of      the latter,fortified      support for Israel; as Sanders put it: To the degree      that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that      improve the lives of working families in this country, I and      other progressives are prepared to work with him). None of      that remotely constitutes praise for Trump. And if it were      anyone but Assange saying this, nobody would pretend that was      so  indeed, in those other cases, nobody did.    <\/p>\n<p>      If one wants to be generous and mitigate that claim as sloppy      and deceitful rather than an outright fraud,one could      do so. But thats not the case for The Guardians second and      far more inflammatory claim: that Assange believes Russia is      too free and open to need whistleblowing.    <\/p>\n<p>      In that part of the interview,Assange was asked why      most of WikiLeaks publications have had their biggest impact      inthe West rather than in countries such as Russia      orChina. To see how wildly deceitful Jacobss claim was      about his answer, just read what he said: Hedid not      say that Russia was too free to need whistleblowing.      Instead, he explains that any Russian whistleblower who      wanted to leak information would have many better options      than WikiLeaks given that Assanges organization does not      speak Russian, is composed of English-speaking Westerners,      and focuses on the West:    <\/p>\n<p>        In Russia, there are many vibrant publications, online        blogs, and Kremlin critics such as [Alexey] Navalny are        part of that spectrum. There are also newspapers like        Novaya Gazeta, in which different parts of society in        Moscow are permitted to critique each other and it is        tolerated, generally, because it isnt a big TV channel        that might have a mass popular effect, its audience is        educated people in Moscow. So my interpretation is that        in Russia there are competitors to WikiLeaks, and        no WikiLeaks staff speak Russian, so for a strong culture        which has its own language, you have to be seen as a local        player. WikiLeaks is a predominantly English-speaking        organization with a website predominantly in        English. We have published more than 800,000        documents about or referencing Russia and President Putin,        so we do have quite a bit of coverage, but the majority of        our publications come from Western sources, though not        always. For example, we have published more than 2 million        documents from Syria, including Bashar al-Assad personally.        Sometimes we make a publication about a country and they        will see WikiLeaks as a player within that country, like        with Timor East and Kenya. The real determinant is        how distant that culture is from English. Chinese culture        is quite far away.      <\/p>\n<p>      What Assange is saying here is so obvious. He is not saying      that Russia is too free and transparent to need      whistleblowing; indeed, he points out that WikiLeaks has      published some leaked documents about Russia and Putin, along      with Assad. What he says instead is that Russian      whistleblowers and leakers perceive that they have better      options than WikiLeaks, which does not speak the language and      has no place in the countrysmedia and cultural      ecosystem. He says exactly the same thing about China (The      real determinant is how distant that culture is from English.      Chinese culture is quite far away).    <\/p>\n<p>      To convert that into a claim that Assange believes is Russia      is too free and open to need whistleblowing  a way of      depicting Assange as a propagandist for Putin  is not merely      a reckless error. It is journalistic fraud.    <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>      But, like so much online fake news,this was a      fraud that had a huge impact, as The Guardian and Jacobs      surely knew would happen. Its difficult to quantify exactly      how many people consumed these false claims, but it was      definitely in the tens of thousands and almost certainly in      the hundreds of thousands if not millions. Heres just one      tweet, by the Washington Posts Clinton-supporting blogger      (and Tufts political science professor) Dan Drezner, that      spread the claim about Assanges purported belief that Russia      is too open to need whistleblowing; as of today, it has been      re-tweeted by more than 7,000 people and liked by another      7,000:    <\/p>\n<p>      Nothing illustrates the damage done by online journalistic      deceit better than this: While Drezners spreading of      Jacobss false claim was re-tweeted thousands and thousands      of times, the objection from the actual reporter, Maurizi,      pointing out that it was false, was almost completely      ignored. At the time this article was published, ithad      a grand total of 14 re-tweets:    <\/p>\n<p>      Worse still,the most vocal Clinton-supporting pundits,      such as The Atlantics David Frum, then began promoting a      caveat-freeversionof the false claims about what      Assange said regarding Trump; he was now converted into a      full-fledged Trump admirer:    <\/p>\n<p>      Part of why this happened has to do with The Guardians      blinding hatred for WikiLeaks, with whom it partnered to its      great benefit, only to then wage mutual warfare. While the      paperregularly produces great journalism, its       deeply emotional and personalized feud with Assange has      often led it to abandon all standards when reporting on      WikiLeaks.    <\/p>\n<p>      But here, the problem was deeply exacerbated by the role of      this particular reporter, Ben Jacobs. Having covered the 2016      campaign for The Guardian U.S., hes one of those journalists      who became beloved by Clintons media supporters for his      obviously pro-Clinton coverage of the campaign. He entrenched      himself as a popular member of the clique of political      journalists who shared those sentiments. He built a following      by feeding the internet highly partisan coverage; watched his      social media follower count explode the more he did it; and      generally bathed inthe immediate gratification provided      by online praise for churning out pro-Clinton agitprop all      year.    <\/p>\n<p>      But Jacobs has a particularly ugly history with WikiLeaks. In      August 2015, news broke that Chelsea Manning  whose leaks      becameone of The Guardians most significant stories in      its history and whom the       U.N. had found was subjected to cruel and inhumane      abuse while in detention  faced      indefinitesolitary confinement for having      unapproved magazines in her cell as well as expired      toothpaste. Jacobs went to Twitter and       mocked her plight: And the worlds tiniest violin plays      a sad song. He was forced to delete this demented tweet when      even some of his Guardian colleagues publicly criticized him,      though he never apologized publicly, claiming that he did so      privately while blocking huge numbers of people who      objected to his comments (including me).    <\/p>\n<p>      The absolute last person anyone should trust to accurately      and fairly report on WikiLeaks is Ben Jacobs, unless the goal      is topublish fabrications that will predictably      generate massive traffic for The Guardian. Whatever the      intent, that is exactly what happened here.    <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>      The people who should be most upset by this deceit are      exactly the ones who played the leading role in spreading it:      namely, those who most vocally claim that Fake News is a      serious menace. Nothing will discredit that cause faster or      more effectively than the perception that this crusade is      really about a selective desire to suppress news that      undermines ones political agenda, masquerading as concern      for journalistic accuracy and integrity. Yet, as Ive            repeatedly documented, the very same people most vocal      about the need to suppress Fake News are often those       most eager to disseminate it when doing so advances their      agenda.    <\/p>\n<p>      If one really wants to battle Fake News and deceitful      journalism that misleads others, one cannot selectively      denounce some Fake News accounts while cheering and spreading      those thatpromote ones own political agenda or smear      those (such as Assange) whom one most hates. Doing that will      ensure that nobody takes this cause seriously because its      proponents will be seen as dishonest opportunists:      muchthe way cynically exploiting anti-Semitism      accusations against Israel critics has severely weakened the      sting of that accusation when its actually warranted.    <\/p>\n<p>      It is well-documented that much Fake News was disseminated      this year to undermine Clinton, sometimesfrom Trump      himself. For that reason, a       poll jointly released on Tuesdayby The Economist and      YouGov found that 62 percent of Trump voters  and 25      percent of Clinton voters  believe that millions of illegal      votes were cast in the election, an extremely      dubiousallegation made by Trump with no evidence.    <\/p>\n<p>      But this poll also found that 50 percent of Clinton voters      now believe an absurd and laughable conspiracy theory: that      Russia tampered with vote tallies to help      Trump. Its hardly surprising they believe this: Some of the      most beloved Democratic pundits routinely      use the phrase Russia hacked the U.S. election to imply      not that ithacked emails but the election itself. And      the result is that  just as is true of manyTrump      voters  manyClinton voters have been deceived into      embracing a pleasing and self-affirming though completely      baseless conspiracy theory about why their candidate lost.    <\/p>\n<p>      By all means: Lets confront and defeat the menace of Fake      News. But to do so, its critical that one not be selective      in which type one denounces, and it is particularly important      that one not sanction Fake News when it promotes ones own      political objectives. Most important of all is that those who      want to lead the cause of denouncing Fake News not convert      themselves into its most prolific disseminators whenever the      claims of a Fake News account are pleasing or self-affirming.    <\/p>\n<p>      Thats exactly what those who spread this disgraceful      Guardian article did. If they want credibility when posing as      Fake News opponents in the future, they ought to acknowledge      what they did and retract it  beginning with The Guardian.    <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>      UPDATE [Fri.]: The Guardian, to      its credit, has nowretracted one of the baseless claims      in Jacobs article, and corrected and amended several others:    <\/p>\n<p>      Unfortunately, those falsehoods were tweeted and re-tweeted      and shared tens of thousands of times, consumed by hundreds      of thousands of people, if not millions. 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