{"id":25110,"date":"2014-07-25T07:42:25","date_gmt":"2014-07-25T11:42:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.opensource.im\/?p=25110"},"modified":"2014-07-25T07:42:25","modified_gmt":"2014-07-25T11:42:25","slug":"daniel-ellsberg-snowden-kept-his-oath-better-than-anyone-in-the-nsa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/chelsea-manning\/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-kept-his-oath-better-than-anyone-in-the-nsa.php","title":{"rendered":"Daniel Ellsberg: Snowden Kept His Oath Better Than Anyone in the NSA"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>  Daniel Ellsberg, the celebrated whistleblower who leaked the  Pentagon Papers, said in a conversation with National Security  Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden that every human sometimes  bites their tongue when they witness something that they know to  be wrongand blood often flows as a result. Due in part to lies  during the Vietnam War, he said, millions of people were  needlessly killed. At home, tobacco executives successfully hid  the cancerous nature of their products. More recently, as GM  customers died in their cars, the company kept mum about a  defect.<\/p>\n<p>  The standard he'd like to see set instead? \"Snowden was the one  person in the fucking NSA who did what he absolutely should have  done,\" he said. \"How many people should've done what you did! We  all took the same oath to protect and defend the Constitution.  There are people who violate it all the time. There are people  who are against it, like Cheney and some others. But when it  comes to upholding that oath, no one in the U.S. military  services, including the commander in chief, has fulfilled her  oath to defend and support the Constitution like Chelsea Manning.  And no one in the executive branch, or in any branch, has  fulfilled the oath to uphold and protect the Constitution as well  as you, so thank you.\"<\/p>\n<p>  Snowden and Manning should inspire other Americans to speak out  upon seeing what they know to be wrong, Ellsberg argued,  even when doing so entails personal sacrifice. The remarks came  at the end of a monologue during Hope X, a hacker conference in  New York City. The whole part on \"civic courage\" is worth a read.<\/p>\n<p>    I was struck by something you said in Vanity Fair,    which was that every one of us has seen things that are wrong,    that should be known, that should be exposed, and we have    turned our eyes away because we were intimidated. I believe    that's true of every human on earth. There are times when they    bite their tongues or keep their mouths shut because to reveal    it would lose a relationship, or a job, or a career. Then you    said, but there comes a time when the level of wrongness or    inhumanity is so great that you have to cross over that    line.  <\/p>\n<p>    I thought, that's Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning who did    that. How many others? Most people never do reach that line.    They never do reach a point where they decide to risk their own    status, their relationships, their job. And many of them have    been tested on things like the continuation of a wrongful war;    hundreds of thousands of lives, 500,000 lives lost each year in    the case of tobacco. And only two people spoke out. Look at GM.    It's a only a handful, but it's striking how they covered it    up. How many people at GM knew that lives were being lost? Who    spoke out? Nobody, I don't think so.  <\/p>\n<p>    What I hope, Ed, is that you will inspire more people to take    even significant risks... there will always be risks. And the    willingness to take that risk, for civilians, is very    rare.  <\/p>\n<p>    As you may know, it was Bismark of all people who said courage    on the battlefield is very common in our country, Prussia at    that point. But civil courage is another matter, it's very    rare. Before Manning and Snowden I'd almost given up on it.  <\/p>\n<p>    You're an example of it.  <\/p>\n<p>    And Manning. He got a lot of attention, but he didn't get the    effect in this country, except for getting our troops home from    Iraq, that you did. Why? Because I think Manning was showing    what we were doing to other people in the Third World. Others.    Not us. And in my case, was the effect because of the millions    of Vietnamese who were being killed wrongly? Every one of them    was wrong. When I read the Pentagon Papers and realized for the    first time that from the very beginning we were supporting a    French colonial reconquest of a country, which I thought of us    unAmerican, whether it was illegal internationally or not, I    saw every death in Vietnam as being unjustified homicide. To me    that was murder, mass murder, and I couldn't be part of that    anymore. Well, the American people didn't respond, I'm sorry to    say, on the whole, to the mass murder, but there were 58,000    Americans in the process of dying then, see. And in your case,    Ed, it wasn't so much directly dying, but you exposed what was    being done to us. And people are objecting to that.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think we have to have a different standard, and you show the    possibility of it. Your colleagues in NSA, as you said, agreed    with you, many of them, that this is wrong. But I have a    mortgage, I have a marriage, I have children to send to    college. And that was enough. Even though we're talking about    this massive intrusion. It's a new world, basically, that    people need to know about. So it shouldn't be only you. And I    would hope that some of your colleagues, who I would    suspectfrom my experience, if you were in a room with your    former colleagues now, I would expect them to leave that room.    If you can tell me that a former colleague from NSA has in any    way communicated with you to say you've done the right thing,    in any way, I would guess there are zero like that, which was    my experience at the Rand Corporation. You lose every friend    you have who has a clearance. And that's all your    friends.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>The rest is here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/theatlantic.feedsportal.com\/c\/34375\/f\/625835\/s\/3cdb62a8\/sc\/38\/l\/0L0Stheatlantic0N0Cpolitics0Carchive0C20A140C0A70Cdaniel0Eellsberg0Esnowden0Ehonored0Ehis0Eoath0Ebetter0Ethan0Eanyone0Ein0Ethe0Ensa0C3750A310C\/story01.htm\/RK=0\/RS=hciACBDwNGfCeRRq.6BUwej5FIw-\" title=\"Daniel Ellsberg: Snowden Kept His Oath Better Than Anyone in the NSA\">Daniel Ellsberg: Snowden Kept His Oath Better Than Anyone in the NSA<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Daniel Ellsberg, the celebrated whistleblower who leaked the Pentagon Papers, said in a conversation with National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden that every human sometimes bites their tongue when they witness something that they know to be wrongand blood often flows as a result. Due in part to lies during the Vietnam War, he said, millions of people were needlessly killed. At home, tobacco executives successfully hid the cancerous nature of their products. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[49],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-25110","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-chelsea-manning"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25110"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=25110"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25110\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=25110"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=25110"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/euvolution.com\/open-source-convergence\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=25110"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}