‘Citizenfour’ a compelling look at Edward Snowden’s actions

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

This in essence is the message of "Citizenfour," Laura Poitras' highly anticipated documentary on Edward Snowden's decision to expose the National Security Agency's ravenous appetite for clandestinely collecting the personal data of ordinary citizens. If left unchecked, the film persuasively posits, this lust for information on an unprecedented scale could mean the end of privacy as we know it.

Because Poitras was among the first people Snowden contacted, because she became involved in the process, this is first and foremost an advocacy documentary with a compelling you-are-there quality. It puts us in the room where Snowden and journalist Glenn Greenwald, his key conduit to the outside world, conferred in Hong Kong's Mira Hotel over eight days as they made decisions about what was to be published and why.

These extensive hotel conversations are terribly exciting, but they take up so much of "Citizenfour's" running time they also result in a more limited film than viewers may be expecting. What we get is as much an edited record of those historic high-tension days as an examination of the issues surrounding electronic surveillance. "Citizenfour" is a formidable viewing experience, but it's not necessarily a problem-free film.

Poitras, a superb documentarian whose previous work includes "My Country, My Country" and "The Oath," was already working on a documentary about governmental surveillance when, in a scenario worthy of John le Carre or even Eric Ambler, she was contacted by a source identified only as "Citizenfour."

Insisting on fierce security protocols over and above the ones Poitras, herself a target of surveillance, already employed, Citizenfour and the filmmaker exchanged email messages for months, some of which appear on the screen and are read by Poitras in a calm, poised, quietly effective voice.

Citizenfour encourages Poitras and Greenwald, a journalist for Britain's the Guardian, to work together. After some six months of complex email conversations, the three of them meet in that Hong Kong hotel to make final plans.

Given how much he's been in the news since then, one key fascination of "Citizenfour" is the intimate glimpse it gives us of Snowden, whose slight frame and boyish looks bring to mind Abraham Lincoln's apocryphal remark on meeting "Uncle Tom's Cabin" author Harriet Beecher Stowe: "So you are the little woman who wrote the book that started this great war."

Yet the more we see of Snowden, whether talking to hotel reception or slipping under a blanket ("my magic mantle of power") in order to hide his keyboard strokes from the camera's eye, the more we see not only his intelligence and the strength of his resolve but the linked idealism and zealotry that must have motivated his actions.

Snowden's articulate passion about the NSA's extensive data gathering ("the reach of the system is unlimited ... it's not science fiction, it's happening right now") fuels the argument he lays out in increasingly chilling and convincing detail about why it would take nothing more than "a change of policy" to turn this apparatus into "the greatest weapon for oppression in the history of the world."

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It was at that point that Poitras stopped using the telephone in her apartment, bought a new computer for cash and started checking her email account only in public places.

If I really want to have a private conversation I wont have it in my home; I go to a public place. I certainly don't trust my electronics thats a given.' (Photo: Olaf Blecker)

On June 1, following instructions from Citizenfour, Poitras, along with two Guardian journalists, Glenn Greenwald and Ewen MacAskill, boarded a plane to Hong Kong. Eight days later a 12-minute film shot by Poitras was broadcast, revealing Citizenfour as Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old IT specialist working for the contractor Booz Allen Hamilton on behalf of Americas National Security Agency. I have no intention of hiding who I am, Snowden said to camera, because I know I have done nothing wrong.

The information purloined by Edward Snowden about NSA activities is among the most significant leaks in American political history. It revealed that the NSA has maintained a number of mass-surveillance programmes over its own citizens, including accessing information stored by some of Americas biggest technology companies, often without individual warrants, and intercepting data from global telephone and internet networks to build up a store of information on millions of US citizens, regardless of whether or not they are persons of interest to the agency.

Snowden himself has described it as the largest programme of suspicionless surveillance in human history. The leaked documents also revealed details of Tempora, a programme run by Britains spy agency, GCHQ, to collect, store and analyse vast quantities of personal information gleaned from global email messages, Facebook posts, internet histories and telephone calls, which Snowden describes as probably the most invasive intercept system in the world.

Poitrass role in disclosing the Snowden revelations has already won her a number of awards. In April, along with the Washington Post and the Guardians American edition, she won the 2014 Pulitzer Prize for public service journalism. She was also a co-winner of the George Polk Award for national security reporting, and last year she won the International Documentary Associations Courage Under Fire Award for her reporting on the NSA story.

Poitras has now made a documentary, Citizenfour, which she describes as the third part in a trilogy of films about post-9/11 America, telling the story behind the Snowden revelations. Beginning with her first contact with Snowden, the film moves on to the meeting in Hong Kong that led to the first published revelations, and then examines the repercussions of the exposures, including new film of Snowden shot in Moscow, where he now lives.

Poitras describes it as a film about journalism as much as its about surveillance, saying, Its a human drama. It is as riveting as a le Carr novel or a Bourne film all the more so because it is real.

We watch as, over the course of eight days, cloistered in his Hong Kong hotel room, Snowden methodically unfolds his story to the reporters. At one point he realises he has forgotten to unplug his bedside telephone: its possible, he says matter-of-factly, for conversation in the room to be monitored without the receiver being lifted. When a fire alarm goes off in the building, the tension is electrifying. As news of his identity breaks, and the media and one can assume the intelligence services begin to close in, we see him readying to leave his hotel, pausing to examine himself in the bathroom and fussing with his hair: the banal, reflexive gesture of a man whose circumstances are already far beyond his control. It is an intimate portrait of a man who has made a decision that will change his life for ever.

I meet Poitras in Berlin, where she still lives, in the private members club Soho House. It is an appropriate place to be talking about state power and surveillance. The building was the headquarters of the East German politburo, the party elite that decided domestic and foreign policy. Senior officials of the Stasi, which maintained the most comprehensive civil surveillance programme in modern history at least until now also worked there.

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‘Citizenfour’ Follows The Snowden Story Without (Much) Grandstanding

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Former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

As a filmmaker, Laura Poitras is not a grandstander.

This seems worth pointing out because her documentaries deal with subjects of mass consequence, including her new Edward Snowden chronicle Citizenfour. If she wanted to preach, the matters at hand would allow for it. In her previous films My Country, My Country in 2006 and The Oath in 2010, Poitras chronicled the uncertain state of Iraq, multiple generations of jihadis in Yemen, and a terror suspect on trial at Guantanamo Bay. All these films are meant to encourage Americans to reckon with choices made in the War on Terror.

These projects and their consequences have become personal, and the lines between filmmaker and participant have blurred: She's said that she was stopped so many times by customs agents while entering the U.S. that she moved to Berlin. But she doesn't put herself onscreen. Instead, she presents her footage in deliberate, meditative fashion, and she eschews finger-wagging and easy morals all of which distinguish her from just about every other current-affairs documentarian at work today.

Then again, Poitras has never had a subject as urgent or as familiar to the public as Snowden. The former National Security Agency contractor approached her in early 2013 anonymously, over an encrypted Internet line with his now-famous collection of documents demonstrating the reach and capability of U.S. government surveillance. He was looking for a journalist who could make them public, and the fact that he came to an art-house documentary filmmaker (after being unable to reach The Guardian's better-known civil-liberties columnist Glenn Greenwald) could be a sign that film buffs have surprising relevance in the real world.

Citizenfour, which Poitras is billing as the third in a trilogy of documentaries dealing with post-9/11 America, tracks how she came to meet and trust Snowden and become the holder of his secrets. (The title refers to the name Snowden gave himself in his first communication with Poitras.) Coming more than a year after the world first learned of the NSA's reach, the movie is too removed to function as breaking news, but it's too immediate and too intimate to unfold in the past tense with talking heads to put everything into a broader context. So Citizenfour serves a different purpose: a chance for Poitras to reorganize her Pulitzer Prize-winning story in her own medium and cinema verit style. It mostly works.

By now, the gist of the film is familiar. Poitras, bringing along Greenwald, traveled to Hong Kong in June 2013 to meet Snowden. This meeting takes up the bulk of the film, with the three figures plus Ewen MacAskill, an investigative reporter from The Guardian crammed into a beige hotel room as they urgently discuss matters of computer encryption. The room quickly goes from intimate to suffocating, with Snowden jammed into a corner chair or sprawled on his bed with a laptop, the camera inches from his face. The most memorable moment occurs when their talk is interrupted by a series of fire alarms, an incident that's funny because it plays so nicely into the film's pervading sense of paranoia.

Poitras uses the meetings as the focal point in a larger, complex tale of surveillance and secrecy across America, and ropes in William Binney, a former NSA cryptologist who became a whistleblower in 2002; the agency's data-collection facility under construction in Bluffsdale, Utah; and Guardian editors terrified of running articles implicating Britain's equivalent of the NSA. This surrounding material helps explain the importance of Snowden's information, but it doesn't necessarily validate Poitras' decision to include so much footage from their meeting in the final cut. She could have taken a cue from her own The Oath, which cut effortlessly from Yemen to Gitmo and back in order to communicate things unspoken about the difference between an ex-terrorist and a detainee.

Despite the conflict Poitras drums up over whether and when Snowden should reveal himself, the film feels downright anti-dramatic. It is paced laboriously and refuses to break up the hotel room with other action, and it seems to have no interest in the particulars of Snowden's escape to Moscow. Still, he's given some compelling new layers, as he alternates between the confident super-spy persona he adapts in his correspondences and palpable fear. With the camera so close, he becomes visibly frustrated when telling his journalist confidantes not to leave the same SD card in their laptops for days. "Pro tip," he says between nervous laughs, a moment more endearing than the numerous shots of him pacing his room or staring out his window. Greenwald, meanwhile, plays the courageous-crusader role Poitras denies herself. At several points in the film, he and Snowden simply talk at each other, each desperate to prove he agrees with the other's philosophy, in scenes that surely recall many columnists' house parties after 2 a.m.

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‘Citizenfour’: Director Laura Poitras shares the rage of her subject Edward Snowden

If youve only read about Edward Snowden, the former private contractor for the National Security Agency and CIA senior analyst who exposed secret US government surveillance files, you may be in for a shock when you see Citizenfour. Instead of an aging, shadowy operative, we have instead a scrawny 29-year-old who resembles nothing so much as a computer science grad student. He spills a whole load of beans on camera yet seems eerily normal and composed the anti-Julian Assange.

Snowden approached prize-winning journalist and documentarian Laura Poitras about making the movie, which begins in early June 2013 as Poitras and her collaborator, journalist Glenn Greenwald, along with The Guardians intelligence correspondent Ewen MacAskill, hunker down with Snowden for nine days in a Hong Kong hotel room. (The movies title refers to the code name Snowden used in contacting Poitras.) As we watch the T-shirted Snowden, sitting on his messy hotel bed with his little laptop, set the stage for what is to come, the vast disjunction between these mundane surroundings and his imminent, world-shattering revelations is almost comical.

But there is nothing comical about Snowdens motivations. Reacting to the unprecedented covert US government programs dedicated to monitoring electronic communications, he says, As I saw the promise of the Obama administration betrayed, and walked away from, it really hardened me to action. For all his outward calm, Snowden comes across as a spurned idealist. He understands the personal consequences of his actions: If I get arrested, I get arrested. (The film hints, at the very end, that there is a second whistle-blower, much higher up than Snowden. Stay tuned.)

Poitras clearly shares Snowdens animus, and she interlaces the film with extensive corroborating footage, including interviews with retired NSA technical director William Binney, who discusses with devastating forthrightness the dangers of unchecked government access to all manner of personal communications. She includes hearings in which government officials appear to be lying about their noncomplicity. The film takes aim at President Obama, indicting him for his stepped-up drone strikes, for his expansion of the George W. Bush era of covert surveillance, and for his administrations attempt to indict Snowden for espionage.

Its not surprising, given this films sympathies, that Poitras doesnt delve into the legalities of Snowdens actions or the efficacy of big-time surveillance as an anti-terrorist tool. (Perhaps she believed, wrongly I think, that to do so would detract from Snowdens cause.) She also seems tone-deaf to the irony of Snowden currently being given political asylum in Moscow by that great champion of human rights, Vladimir Putin. If this is a movie about freedom, as its makers attest, then the freedoms being championed are selectively displayed.

The larger point in Citizenfour is that dictatorships have always relied on the massive gathering of information in order to control their populations. In this brave new cyber world, it is all too easy for democracies to cross the line, too. Grade: A- (This film is not rated.)

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Edward Snowden Documentary ‘Citizenfour:’ A Real-Life Paranoid Thriller

By now the contents of the Edward Snowden/NSA leaks are over a year old, so it would seem that the film Citizenfour would come well past the expiration date of those shocks. But director Laura Poitras' third installment in her trilogy about post-9/11 America (My Country, My Country and The Oath being the previous two titles) isn't a documentary that burdens itself by being a bland factsheet that most contemporary documentaries tend to be. A firsthand account of one of the most important moments in 21st Century American history, its substance is the stuff of paranoid spy thrillers.

The film unravels like a procedural: Citizenfour starts from the very beginning of the leaks when Snowden reached out to Poitras under the titular moniker through encrypted emails (he actually contacted Greenwald first, but the encryption methods were too "annoying" for Greenwald). Citizenfour goes through the usual motions of providing context with archival footage (including multiple NSA directors lying under oath before Congressional committees) and b-roll footage of top secret government facilities from afar, but the centerpiece is the time spent with Edward Snowden as he hides in a hotel room in Hong Kong. Viewers may remember this as the moment when Snowden revealed himself to the world. The filmmaker herself is an integral character, and the view afforded the audience of history is extremely intimate.

This entire midsection of Citizenfour plays out as a real-life chamber drama as Snowden, Greenwald, Poitras, and The Guardian's Ewen MacAskill spend days cooped up in the cramped hotel room under an extreme sense of caution. As Snowden spills state secrets on-camera, the true reach of such unchecked power is shown in minor detailsSnowden unplugging his room telephone to avoid bugging, hiding under a blanket on-camera when typing passwords, and the brief panic over unexpected fire alarms. In the absence of fresh revelations (aside from a heavily teased one in the final scene), Citizenfour relies on the drama of Snowden, Poitras, et al. facing the most powerful force imaginable. The players negotiate how the massive information leak will be gradually rolled out to the public in pieces and how to avoid turning Snowden himself into the center of media attention, showing that even real-life events can use a little narrative shaping to achieve maximum potency. When wielded properly, storytelling and spin can be an effective weapon against any adversary. Citizenfour is just that.

Citizenfour is out in theaters this Friday. In Los Angeles it will be playing at The Landmark.

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Laura Poitras on Her Edward Snowden Documentary: “I Was a Participant As Much As a Documentarian”

TIME Entertainment movies Laura Poitras on Her Edward Snowden Documentary: I Was a Participant As Much As a Documentarian This April 16, 2014 photo shows Pulitzer Prize and Polk Award winner Laura Poitras in New York to promote her documentary film "1971," premiering Friday at the Tribeca Film Festival. (Photo by Charles Sykes/Invision/AP) Charles SykesCharles Sykes/Invision/AP The Citizenfour documentarian on Edward Snowden and making a film amid breaking news

The revelation of the National Security Administrations surveillance of U.S. citizens phone records was among the biggest news stories of 2013, and won a Pulitzer Prize for Public Service for the journalists at the Washington Post and The Guardian who covered it.

One of those journalists, Laura Poitras, has just released her documentary about the events surrounding the NSA revelations and the contractor who leaked them to her. Citizenfour takes its title from the handle Edward Snowden used to communicate online with Poitras, communications Poitras reads aloud. The film leads to Hong Kong, where Poitras and two other journalists powwow with a vaguely shocked yet clear-headed Snowden, whos decided to walk away from his life entirely; the degree of risk hes undertaken is underlined more strongly by Citizenfour than in any other reporting to date.

Poitras has had a long career of documenting national security initiatives and their implications in documentary form; her last film, The Oath, dealt in part with a Yemeni man held in Guantnamo Bay. But Citizenfour is a uniquely gripping work for how it gets inside one of the biggest news stories of our time. Laura Poitras spoke to TIME this week.

TIME: Was it difficult to make a film that objectively depicted the events surrounding Snowdens disclosures, given how enmeshed you were in the process? How did your roles as filmmaker and as journalist run up against one another?

Laura Poitras: I mean, in the process of working on this film, when I was in Hong Kong, I was wearing my documentary filmmaker hat saying, I am going to document whats happening. This moment in journalism when Im meeting a source for the first time, understanding who this person is its a moment you usually never get to see. Usually a source doesnt want to be identified or will come forward four decades later, like with Deep Throat. I knew thisd be something different. As we were sitting up and working on stories, I was the documentary fillmmmaker.

When I returned to Berlin, I realized it was important I report it out. I think a lot of people, there are a lot of really talented national security reporters who can do great work on documents in the public interest. Doing this was what I wanted to do making a longform film that looked at the story from many angles asking what it says about journalism, whistleblowers, and the government coming down on both in the context of post-9/11 America. Im more interested in those broader issues than I am in breaking news.

It strikes me as difficult to release a documentary after the fact about a major news event thats been widely covered, including by Glenn Greenwald, whos a character in the film.

In the editing room, we realized a couple of things quickly. One was that I was a part of the story and it needed to be told from a subjective point of view. I was the narrator. I was a participant as much as a documentarian. Then we tell the story close to the protagonists. Snowden, Glenn, and [U.S. intelligence official-turned-whistleblower] William Binney. Its through them we get a picture of the wider importance. We had more footage, more archival stuff. Then it becomes a chronicle of the leaks, which is interesting when its happening but not interesting in retrospect. There was a film about the Obama campaign that was interesting when it was happening, but in retrospect

We tried to make sure it was not caught up in breaking news but to say something that would still resonate in five and ten years. Its a broader human story. Yes, its about the NSA, but its also about what would cause a person to risk everything.

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Edward Snowden, Before The Storm: Citizenfour, Reviewed

Movies are lots of things, but "important" isn't one of them. It's not that they can't be meaningful and life-changing, but when a critic's praise tries to go beyond that, it raises red flags for me.

Normally, this happens when the movie takes on a serious subjectthink An Inconvenient Truth or 12 Years a Slave. But the problem is that at that point, we're no longer talking about the merits of the film but, rather, how we feel about the subject matter. (For instance, last year I got a few emails from people who couldn't believe I didn't put 12 Years a Slave in my Top 10: Didn't I care about racism?) Films with serious themes can be great, but when we place the worthiness of the subject above all other considerations, we're not really talking about artistry anymore.

The new documentary Citizenfour is a perfect illustration of this dilemma. I've already heard a few colleagues talk about what an "important" movie this is, and I understand where they're coming from. A significant insider's view of Edward Snowden's attempts last year to blow the lid off the NSA's intrusive surveillance program, the latest from documentarian Laura Poitras is a sobering overview of one of the country's major debates: whether the need for national security outweighs the individual's need for privacy. The result is very good, but its newsworthiness doesn't automatically make it a stunning piece of work.

The third installment in her trilogy of post-9/11 documentaries (joining The Oath and My Country, My Country), Citizenfour recounts how Poitras was one of the few individuals Snowden first contacted when he planned to go public about the information he had on the NSA. The movie's early sections have the suspense of a spy thriller as we read the initial communications between the filmmaker and an individual who identifies as Citizenfour. Soon, we're on the road from Poitras's home in Berlinshe fled the U.S. to avoid harassment from Border Control over her previous documentariesto Hong Kong, where she and journalist Glenn Greenwald meet face to face with the handsome, boyish, 29-year-old Snowden, who felt it his moral obligation to blow the whistle on America's surveillance programs.

Some of the movie's strongest sections concern the buildup to that first meeting and the chronicling of that first week in Hong Kong, as this unlikely collection of individuals decide how best to proceed with the explosive material they're sitting on. (Poitras mostly stays in the background, filming the interactions between Snowden and Greenwald, who is occasionally joined by another reporter, Ewen MacAskill.)

Without overselling the All the President's Men paranoiaalthough the jittery Nine Inch Nails tunes can be a tad muchCitizenfour plunges us into the claustrophobia and anxiety of that hotel room. There's a palpable tension as these people wonder if American officials are going to break down the door at any moment, and how best to respond to the government's inevitable pushback to their reporting. (It certainly doesn't lighten the mood when Snowden informs everyone that any phone could be turned into a listening device remotely, even the phone in his hotel room.) It's so rare to see history documented as it's happening, and Citizenfour succeeds in humanizing the participantsSnowden comes across as thoughtful, but also understandably nervous and a bit overwhelmed by the weight of what's comingwithout diminishing the stakes of their endeavor.

But that you-are-there immediacy is mitigated a bit by the rest of the movie. Not simply a fascinating journalistic story about how the Snowden revelations came about, Citizenfour also wants to look at our New Normal as American citizens go through their days being monitored by the government at all times. And it's here that I think the film lurches toward being "important" rather than illuminating. The sad fact is that Poitras's insights are now grimly familiar: The government tracks our movements far more intensely than it admits, ours is not the only country involved in this aggressive surveillance, and Obama doesn't seem to have done anything to stop this Bush-era program.

Since 9/11, we've become accustomed (begrudgingly or not) to a loss of individual liberty in order to fight the War on Terror. As with our annoyance with Facebook's inadvertent treasure trove of dirt on us, we're irritated by the NSAbut not enough that we'll do anything about it. Citizenfour interviews such experts as former NSA official William Binney, who has been a vocal opponent of the agency since retiring in 2001, but it can't quite provoke our outrage. In part, that's because we already know what Snowden revealed to the world, but I also suspect it's because we've become so suspicious of our government that there's little it can do at this point to really surprise us with its insidiousness.

The first two films in Poitras's trilogy benefited from her deep embedding in intimate, small-scale stories. My Country, My Country was an impressionistic 2006 snapshot of life among ordinary Iraqis as the U.S. occupation was occurring; The Oath was a rather amazing 2010 tale of a former Osama bin Laden bodyguard. The specificity of those stories served as a platform for a larger discussion about how the rest of the world changed after 9/11, taking the emphasis off of our own sorrow and making us focus on the real trauma we unleashed on others, many of whom were innocent bystanders.

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Snowden filmmaker Laura Poitras: ‘Facebook is a gift to intelligence agencies’

In January 2013, Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Laura Poitras received an e-mail that would eventually change what the world knew about government surveillance. The e-mail came from Edward Snowden, using the alias Citizenfour. That alias is thetitle of Poitras'slatest documentary, an intimate portrait of the eight days she spent in Hong Kong with the former National Security Agency contractor as the first of his revelations made headlines around the world. Citizenfour will open with a limited release in New York, Washington and Los Angeles on Friday.

Poitras, who received a Pulitzer Prize for her work with The Washington Post and the Guardian covering the revelations, sat down with the Switch to discuss the film and how technical advances may make it easier for us to keep ouronline lives private. This interview has been lightly edited for length and clarity.

Andrea Peterson: One of the things I found very interesting about the film is how intimate of a portrayal of Snowden it is. But as I understand it you were already working on a film about government surveillance in a post-9/11 world, and a lot of that didn't end up making it into the final film. Can you talk about how you made the decision to hone in?

Laura Poitras: In 2011, I started doing some filming with several people. I was interested in not only NSA surveillance but also what was happening with journalism and the sort of zeitgeist. So I filmed with Glenn[Greenwald, who worked with Poitras and the Guardian to break the first Snowden stories] -- I said, "Who is this guy in Rio, sort of off the grid, but having this sort of influence?" I wanted to film where he was and where he worked, so I did that. And then Ialsostarted filming[NSA whistleblower] William Binney. This was at the time that [NSA whistleblower] Thomas Drake [was facing] espionage charges, and it looked like he was going to trial. It was the first time named NSA people started coming forward. So I started filming with the NSA -- and with Binney, he was sort of the architect of the surveillance system that is now something turned inwards.

I also started filming with Jacob Appelbaum, who does anti-surveillance stuff, trains activists all over the world and works with the Tor Project, etc., as well as with Wikileaks and Julian Assange. I was also interested in talking about how there were these new spaces opening up in journalism, and how with their disclosures they worked with multiple news organizations. It felt like it raised the bar in terms of journalism that was more adversarial to the government.

I was deep into filming when I got the first e-mail from Snowden, which was in January of 2013. I had published a short piece on William Binney in the New York Times in summer of 2012, and that was something [Snowden]had seen, so that's probably one of the reasons he knew I was interested in the topic.

In terms of how it shifted -- it obviously shifted enormously once I was contacted and drawn into the story in a different way. I became a participant in the narrative. And then after returning from Hong Kong, it was clear that two films had been shot and that the one that was about Snowden was one that I was a participant in. That's the trajectory of it. But it was an obvious choice -- it was obvious once we looked at the footage;it was clear that Hong Kong would be such an important piece of the film that it became the organizing principle around which other things fell into place.

A.P.: You actually beat me to my next question. You are a character in the film, you're very key to how everything unfolds. But besides some textinterstitialsand your reading of e-mails from Snowden, you really don't appear on camera... Was that a conscious choice?

L.P.: I consider that I'm sort of the narrator of the film, and it's obvious that it's told in the first person and it's a subjective film. I also come from a filmmaking tradition where I'm using the camera -- it's my lens to express the filmmaking I do. In the same way that a writer uses their language, for me it's the images that tell the story. So it's very hard for me to be in front of the camera and shoot -- and in Hong Kong, there was no other crew. For me, the camera is my tool for documenting things, so I stay mostly behind it.

A.P.: There were also some very interesting aspects of thewhole story that seemed omitted. For instance, and obviously you weren't personally there to film it, but how he escaped from Hong Kong and spent 40days in a Moscow airport. Also from what I understand some of the back and forth between yourself and Greenwald and Wikileaks about how things should move forward... Can you talk about how you made decisions about what to include?

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