From one of my blog comboxes: underneath my article,Dialogue w Orthodox on Why Catholics Become Orthodox.Words of Kshos23 will be in blue.
*****
With regards to Orthodox accusing Catholicism of rationalism I suspect the main reason behind that is that Orthodox and Orthodox spirituality does want to give the faith more mystery. I remember an Eastern Orthodox monk once said that most eastern Church Fathers dont speak of the Resurrection of Christ directly and exhaustively, unlike some other things of the faith, precisely because its too great a mystery, and there are only snippets which you can gather from multiple fathers to come up with a some sort of more definite explanation. I also remember you doing a high-school Catholic apologetics interview with some students, and when you presented the Orthodox position on the Real Presence as being we dont know how it becomes the real body and blood of Christ, but it does, one of them funnily but legitimately responded with Isnt it better that way?, precisely because there is a certain beauty to mystery that was recognized.
So I think what the Orthodox are saying is that the Catholic practice of explaining the mysteries of the faith somewhat deprives it of mystery and profundity and the experiential flavor and beauty, and that this desire and sense-of-fittingness to have the things of revealed truth which are gloriously mysterious, beautifully transcendent and beyond precise human understanding is fulfilled in Christianity and should remain with regards to the deepest and most profound Christian mysteries.
We acknowledge mystery as well, but we think we can understand relatively more than the Orthodox claim we can understand. They think were over-rational; we think they are under-rational. Only Scripture and Tradition can resolve that difference.
When the Orthodox want to get very rational assuredly they do, too: for example, regarding the fine points of thefilioquecontroversy.
Well, what I was trying to get at is that the sense of mystery in the sense of the unknown as being beautiful, in contrast to explaining everything which takes away the magic. To be more specific, the sense of mystery Im talking about is the one expressed in your interview with high-school Catholics, where you explained the difference between Orthodox and Catholic views of the Eucharist, and how a Catholic girl responded to the Orthodox mystical view as Isnt it better that way?. Her response likely reflects this.
Again, we dontexplain everything. We explain as far as (we believe) the limits of human understanding of divine mysteries will allow. We just think the line is a bit further than Orthodox do. Who is to say who is right? We can only appeal to Scripture and apostolic, patristic tradition to make such a determination. I posted a chapter from my book about Orthodoxy on this issue today:Is Catholicism Unbiblically Rationalistic? (Orthodox Criticisms).
Im so much notagainst mystery and mysticism, that I edited a book of quotations of the great Catholic mystics.
The Catholic Catechismcontains the word mystery 183 times, and mysteries 33 times, andmysterious another 28 times.
Thats an awful lot of mystery for a communion that supposedly doesnt recognizeit (or to an extent less than it supposedly should).
See also, for example, #404: . . . the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. . . .
***
Photo credit:KELLEPICS(10-17-17) [Pixabay /Pixabay License]
***
The rest is here:
Dialogue: Relation of Mystery & Reason in Christianity - Patheos
- Rationalism | Psychology Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia [Last Updated On: December 12th, 2016] [Originally Added On: December 12th, 2016]
- rationalism facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com ... [Last Updated On: December 22nd, 2016] [Originally Added On: December 22nd, 2016]
- Rationalism in Philosophy [Last Updated On: January 3rd, 2017] [Originally Added On: January 3rd, 2017]
- Rationalism vs. Empiricism Essay - 797 Words - StudyMode [Last Updated On: January 5th, 2017] [Originally Added On: January 5th, 2017]
- Logic: Rationalism vs. Empiricism - Theology [Last Updated On: January 5th, 2017] [Originally Added On: January 5th, 2017]
- Rationalism verses Empiricism - dummies.com [Last Updated On: January 5th, 2017] [Originally Added On: January 5th, 2017]
- Taking Liberties With Workable Liberty - Big Think [Last Updated On: February 7th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 7th, 2017]
- Go for introspection, Left parties told - The Hindu [Last Updated On: February 7th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 7th, 2017]
- Look back in anger, unplugged | Asia Times - Asia Times [Last Updated On: February 7th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 7th, 2017]
- Food by the Book: Philosophy, love, steak - Muskogee Daily Phoenix [Last Updated On: February 7th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 7th, 2017]
- Hypocrisy isn't the problem. Nihilism is - Los Angeles Times [Last Updated On: February 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 8th, 2017]
- The separation of church and state - Helena Independent Record [Last Updated On: February 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 8th, 2017]
- Don't become a pawn in the NHL's Olympic Games - Fear the Fin [Last Updated On: February 9th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 9th, 2017]
- Australia's new political divide: 'globalists' versus 'patriots' - The Sydney Morning Herald [Last Updated On: February 10th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 10th, 2017]
- Laura Akin: Overwhelming majority of the Founding Fathers were Christian - Modesto Bee [Last Updated On: February 10th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 10th, 2017]
- Hecker reemerges with more text-based synthesis on two new releases on Editions Mego - Tiny Mix Tapes [Last Updated On: February 10th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 10th, 2017]
- Fragile Lives: A Heart Surgeon's Stories of Life and Death on the ... - The Times (subscription) [Last Updated On: February 11th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 11th, 2017]
- Hanson denies Liberal preference hypocrisy - SBS [Last Updated On: February 12th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 12th, 2017]
- When religion rules social life - Daily News & Analysis [Last Updated On: February 12th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 12th, 2017]
- Will science go rogue against Donald Trump? - Socialist Worker Online [Last Updated On: February 13th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 13th, 2017]
- Valentine's Day and Romance - Commonweal (blog) [Last Updated On: February 13th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 13th, 2017]
- Barnaby Joyce condemns WA Liberals' preference deal with One Nation - Camden Haven Courier [Last Updated On: February 13th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 13th, 2017]
- Barnaby Joyce condemns WA Liberals' preference deal with One Nation - Warrnambool Standard [Last Updated On: February 14th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 14th, 2017]
- Barnaby Joyce condemns WA Liberals' preference deal with One Nation - The Northern Daily Leader [Last Updated On: February 15th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 15th, 2017]
- Barnaby Joyce condemns WA Liberals' preference deal with One Nation - Western Advocate [Last Updated On: February 16th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 16th, 2017]
- Canadian architecture firm discusses design in the Midwest - Iowa State Daily [Last Updated On: February 16th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 16th, 2017]
- Why sports industry sides with transgenders - WND.com [Last Updated On: February 16th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 16th, 2017]
- Arrival - slantmagazine [Last Updated On: February 16th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 16th, 2017]
- Americans 'plain dumb' - Hastings Tribune [Last Updated On: February 17th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 17th, 2017]
- 'Modi combines Savarkar and neoliberalism': Pankaj Mishra on why this is the age of anger - Scroll.in [Last Updated On: February 17th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 17th, 2017]
- Biography examines political motivations of Montaigne - UChicago News [Last Updated On: February 18th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 18th, 2017]
- Barnaby Joyce condemns WA Liberals' preference deal with One Nation - Daily Advertiser [Last Updated On: February 20th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 20th, 2017]
- Will the Science Community Go Rogue Against Donald Trump? - Truth-Out [Last Updated On: February 20th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 20th, 2017]
- The Red94 Podcast: On the Boogie Cousins trade - Red94 [Last Updated On: February 21st, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 21st, 2017]
- Refugee resettlement study bill passes North Dakota House, Democrat calls it mean-spirited - Bismarck Tribune [Last Updated On: February 21st, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 21st, 2017]
- Refugee resettlement study bill passes ND House, Democrat calls it ... - Jamestown Sun [Last Updated On: February 22nd, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 22nd, 2017]
- P. Sridhar - The Hindu - The Hindu [Last Updated On: February 22nd, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 22nd, 2017]
- The Magical Rationalism of Elon Musk and the Prophets of AI - New York Magazine [Last Updated On: February 22nd, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 22nd, 2017]
- There is an Is - Patheos (blog) [Last Updated On: February 22nd, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 22nd, 2017]
- Letter to the Editor: Banning Immigrants on the Basis of Faith Has Hudson Valley Roots - Patch.com [Last Updated On: February 23rd, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 23rd, 2017]
- You Don't Have To Choose Between Alt-Right And Regressive Left - Huffington Post Canada [Last Updated On: February 23rd, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 23rd, 2017]
- Encountering Change: A Chaplain's Perspective - Patheos (blog) [Last Updated On: February 24th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 24th, 2017]
- Freemasonry Catholics' Deadly Foe - Church Militant [Last Updated On: February 24th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 24th, 2017]
- Modernism and Its Rages - City Journal [Last Updated On: February 24th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 24th, 2017]
- In Scorsese's adaptation of Endo's novel, a stark depiction of statism against religion - National Review [Last Updated On: February 25th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 25th, 2017]
- Outcry over Dalai Lama threatens free speech | The Daily Cardinal - The Daily Cardinal [Last Updated On: February 27th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 27th, 2017]
- When a guitar and Sarangi took over Qalandar's shrine - The Express Tribune [Last Updated On: February 28th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 28th, 2017]
- Barnaby Joyce condemns WA Liberals' preference deal with One Nation - Whyalla News [Last Updated On: February 28th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 28th, 2017]
- Review: 'Target in the Night' is punchy, graceful, ambiguous - The Daily Herald [Last Updated On: February 28th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 28th, 2017]
- Meet the Group of Extreme Rationalists Bent on Cheating Death - Signature Reads [Last Updated On: February 28th, 2017] [Originally Added On: February 28th, 2017]
- Barnaby Joyce condemns WA Liberals' preference deal with One Nation - Eyre Peninsula Tribune [Last Updated On: March 1st, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 1st, 2017]
- Architecture's Pritzker Prize lauds Spanish trio for 'a strong sense of place' - The Globe and Mail [Last Updated On: March 2nd, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 2nd, 2017]
- The ideas election | The Indian Express - The Indian Express [Last Updated On: March 3rd, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 3rd, 2017]
- Serpents, owl men and demon dogs - BBC News [Last Updated On: March 3rd, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 3rd, 2017]
- Why America Can't Afford to Get Into a Trade War with China - The National Interest Online [Last Updated On: March 4th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 4th, 2017]
- Reason, Creativity and Freedom: The Communalist Model - Truth-Out [Last Updated On: March 4th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 4th, 2017]
- Pankaj Mishra's 'Age Of Anger' Is A Flawed But Fascinating Intellectual History - Swarajya [Last Updated On: March 4th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 4th, 2017]
- Thomas Isaac budget: Split between populism and Marxist rationalism - Times of India [Last Updated On: March 4th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 4th, 2017]
- Philharmonic program celebrates passion, youth - Albuquerque Journal [Last Updated On: March 6th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 6th, 2017]
- Interview with Deo Ssekitooleko Representative of Center for Inquiry International Uganda - Conatus News [Last Updated On: March 7th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 7th, 2017]
- Is Democracy Dying Before Our Eyes In America? OpEd - Eurasia Review [Last Updated On: March 7th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 7th, 2017]
- SBCC Presents 'A Flea in Her Ear' - Santa Barbara Independent [Last Updated On: March 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 8th, 2017]
- A French Surrealist's Eclectic Remembrances of His Cohort, Finally in English - Hyperallergic [Last Updated On: March 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 8th, 2017]
- Junk restrictive faith-based laws: Mumbai atheists - Daily News & Analysis [Last Updated On: March 9th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 9th, 2017]
- How to Use Imagination to Grow Your Business - Business 2 Community [Last Updated On: March 9th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 9th, 2017]
- Martyn Lawrence Bullard's Sumptuous Palm Springs Hideaway - Architectural Digest [Last Updated On: March 9th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 9th, 2017]
- Saturday (novel) - Wikipedia [Last Updated On: March 9th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 9th, 2017]
- Abortion Debate Poisoned By 'Pro-Choice' And 'Pro-Life' Labels - Huffington Post Canada [Last Updated On: March 11th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 11th, 2017]
- Stand on Tradition - The Weekly Standard [Last Updated On: March 11th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 11th, 2017]
- The bewildered present-day world - The New Indian Express [Last Updated On: March 11th, 2017] [Originally Added On: March 11th, 2017]
- I watched Alex Jones give his viewers health advice. Here's what I ... - Vox [Last Updated On: April 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: April 8th, 2017]
- How James Ramsey of RAAD Studio, Carlos Arnaiz of CAZA, and BalletCollective turned design into dance - The Architect's Newspaper [Last Updated On: April 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: April 8th, 2017]
- Going overboard with cow protection - Kasmir Monitor [Last Updated On: April 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: April 8th, 2017]
- Anti-Intellectualism Is Just As Revolutionary As Liberalismand Much More Dangerous - Slate Magazine [Last Updated On: April 8th, 2017] [Originally Added On: April 8th, 2017]
- Pakistani thought process - Daily Times [Last Updated On: June 6th, 2017] [Originally Added On: June 6th, 2017]
- French president to the resistance: The world believes in you - Shareblue Media [Last Updated On: June 6th, 2017] [Originally Added On: June 6th, 2017]
- Sophisticated Man Is Stupid - American Spectator [Last Updated On: June 6th, 2017] [Originally Added On: June 6th, 2017]
- COLUMN: The statistical fallacy - The Auburn Plainsman [Last Updated On: June 6th, 2017] [Originally Added On: June 6th, 2017]
- Modi governments greatest trick: Hate the intellectual - DailyO [Last Updated On: June 6th, 2017] [Originally Added On: June 6th, 2017]
- A labyrinth is coming to Washington - Observer-Reporter [Last Updated On: June 7th, 2017] [Originally Added On: June 7th, 2017]